Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

They should retire the msq too

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Do you ever get bored?

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Originally Posted by IckeDerTyp

Good read!

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Okay Gaius, out of troll threads ?

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The FFXIV community is going through a rough time right now. World of Warcraft wasn't always toxic, but it suffered a decline and the only endgame was raiding. Then it became very toxic, very quickly. That's what we're going through right now.

While you all love the game as-is, imagine: if things were better, like in ShB or before, would you be acting like this online?

Then watch as Yoshi P makes a mind blowing comment about how the completion rate of relics is lower than in Endwalker

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

World of Warcraft wasn't always toxic,

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As a survivor of Barrens Chat way back in Vanilla, this made me laugh.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

The FFXIV community is going through a rough time right now. World of Warcraft wasn't always toxic, but it suffered a decline and the only endgame was raiding. Then it became very toxic, very quickly. That's what we're going through right now.

While you all love the game as-is, imagine: if things were better, like in ShB or before, would you be acting like this online?

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You do know this is a known, prolific troll who necros the old threads of his alts and continues making nonsense threads to stir up drama, right?

Though someone assuming I currently love the game based off what I post is pretty funny.

No they shouldn't - I think they need to reconsider as what they view as the relic, and come to grasp with the reality that they will never appease everyone, regardless of how good their intentions. The quicker this is understood, the better they can create something more consistent... Which if I am being honest ShB probably had the best of it, even if it was abysmally future-proofed for Delubrum Reignae.

The steps you needed to do for the initial relic required a significant amount of effort, so those that wanted a fair upfront grind got that, but on the other hand, the number of 1-time only steps meant that any subsequent relic was easier, which also appeased those that wanted it easier to collect them all.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

The FFXIV community is going through a rough time right now. World of Warcraft wasn't always toxic, but it suffered a decline and the only endgame was raiding. Then it became very toxic, very quickly. That's what we're going through right now.

While you all love the game as-is, imagine: if things were better, like in ShB or before, would you be acting like this online?

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People are only reciprocating the atmosphere. So, yes, if you have people baiting and trolling online then the probably is that people would just be reacting in exactly the same way regardless of what the expansion is. Knowing who the person is, kind of. The only things that have changed is the platform they're prevalent on and the tolerance with the person rather than the expansion itself.

So the expansion is really just irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

As a survivor of Barrens Chat way back in Vanilla, this made me laugh.

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ANAL [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Or we can go back to relic weapons being optional side content and a decent time sink for players who want the glam item since that is really all relics are until you are syncing down to do ultimates.

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Disagree with the "all they are". Relics are solid weapons for most content, so people that don't do Savage raids (or aren't lucky with Extreme drops) use Relic weapons as their main weapons a lot. The 5-10 ilevels is pretty negligible for most content, especially if someone's only doing up to Extremes or not even doing Extremes.

I do agree they should return more to what they used to be. If SE thinks that there needs to be easier to get weapons for trading in tomestones, they could just remove the 7 (patch later 4) 4th Normal Raid boss token requirement on the tome weapons. Note I'm not suggesting they DO this, but saying if that's somehow some major concern, they could just address it that way instead of making Relics a flat "prior tier tome" grind.

As for OP: Troll thread.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Relics are never better than savage weapons until the end of expansion.

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Where did I say they were? I didn't make that argument.

Crafted weapons are expensive and often not worth it to people for various reasons, Extremes are matters of luck, and Tome weapons take 7 weeks of grinding.

Relics are way better. I do them for the weapon, not merely for glamour. Not everyone does Savage content, and if you don't luck out on an Extreme, the difference between a Relic and Crafted weapon is no more than 5 ilevels, or between a Relic and Extreme is 10. Pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things if you aren't doing week 1 stuff. And the Relics are better for Ultimates anyway, so...kind of a wash.

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Originally Posted by PetThisMiqo

Square Enix has attempted to innovate the relic weapon questline for the vast majority of the playerbase during Endwalker but despite the increased happiness of the majority of players the loud minority has angrily protested and even threatened Square Enix over the changes. More players than ever can complete and enjoy a relic weapon and the hateful toxic minority can't stand it.

Square Enix should retaliate by giving the toxic minority exactly what they want. Discontinue the relic weapon quests after Endwalker. The relic weapons have become an elitist status that players who have far too much time use to belittle and mock the more casual playerbase with. Replace the relics with tome weapons that have exquisite designs that the majority of the players will enjoy and appreciate. The no-lifing elitists that want to change the relic weapons into an eternal grind with seethe but this is what they deserve. They have earned this with their poor behavior. Reward your faithful and supporting playerbase while punishing the loud vocal minority. Bless your loyal followers who are grateful and rain punishment down upon those who antagonize you.

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Did they try to innovate?

Oh yes, by linking the relic to Hildibrand quest and offering only tomestone-related steps.

Wow, incredible innovation.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Disagree with the "all they are". Relics are solid weapons for most content, so people that don't do Savage raids (or aren't lucky with Extreme drops) use Relic weapons as their main weapons a lot. The 5-10 ilevels is pretty negligible for most content, especially if someone's only doing up to Extremes or not even doing Extremes.

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Tome/EX weapons are better until the relic patch, and then the relic weapons are better untill the next patch. Relics are never better than savage weapons until the end of expansion. Crafted weapons are better until the relic patch as well. There are multiple other options available to casual players if they want a weapon upgrade. They are glamour unless you do ultimates. Plus as you said, the ilvl difference that relics have over tome or EX weapons doesn't matter for people who aren't doing anything more than casual content.