What are you looking forward to most in 6.45?

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

>Eureka
>Depth

What depth lmao, you just kill NMs nonstop, the Eureka grind is 20 times more mindless and numbing than any amount of roulettes. And, for both Eureka and Bozja, I sure hope there isn't ever again another step that requires you to participate in giant raid content that will be dead next expansion (looking at you, BA and DR). I'd take the boredom that is grinding currency in roulettes over misery that is exploration zone raids.

Now, I do hope there will be more involved steps, but knowing what 'more involved' meant with previous relics, I won't be too upset if its another 1500 tome shill either.

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There is way more attached to Eureka than just mindless relic farm. Eureka was complementary to what FFXIV most lacks of: wide area with challenging mobs where your stats (in this case, element alignment) matters. Eureka satisfies old school MMORPG players.

- You need to communicate
- Monitor fate timing
- Join groups to grind EXP
- As you go on, you have elementals to give you buff
- Chest with RNG for the best rewards
- You die and you lose more than just your time, you lose exp. Punitive system.

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Originally Posted by Heroman3003

>Eureka
>Depth

What depth lmao, you just kill NMs nonstop, the Eureka grind is 20 times more mindless and numbing than any amount of roulettes. And, for both Eureka and Bozja, I sure hope there isn't ever again another step that requires you to participate in giant raid content that will be dead next expansion (looking at you, BA and DR). I'd take the boredom that is grinding currency in roulettes over misery that is exploration zone raids.

Now, I do hope there will be more involved steps, but knowing what 'more involved' meant with previous relics, I won't be too upset if its another 1500 tome shill either.

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I mean, you have to go thru the entire Manderville Questline to even unlock the Relic and if you weren't really a fan of the questline, that's as much a kick in the nads as BA or DR ever were.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Working with the lost actions was always fun, people had to at least in the first days actually figure out how it works and what spawns bosses and people had to actually team up. Also dunno if you remember but we got BA too and people still run it frequently.

People like you are the reason we have the bland tomestone grind now.

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It would have been fine to have content like BA and DR required for relic grind if it wasn't dead the moment expansion was over. It's impossible to find double-digit DR run in DF, and from what my friends that got to level 60 in eureka told me, its even worse with finding people willing AND knowledgable enough to run BA, so I am so not looking to that. Also, having done Eureka zones 1 and 2, all of Bozja (though not all relic grind yet), I will say, Lost action do absolute jack shit to make content any more interesting, they just make failure more likely. Oh, the damage sponges are even spongier and two-hit-ko is one-hit-ko if you dont use right actions, how exciting.

Again, I do want better steps than just 'grind tomes'. What I do not want is 'better' steps that are tied into content thats both impossible to solo and is guaranteed to be dead the moment 7.0 drops. Thankfully, this expansion doesn't really have such content. Which, I am not against generally existing, but tying it into relic grind is just an awful decision imo.

I enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. Neither bit of content was perfect but...surely such content could just be designed with future proofing in mind instead of scrapping it altogether.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I am looking forward to the amazing relic grind that rivals Bozja and Eureka in depth and complexity and makes us all want to play the game actually and not despair in endless roulettes to grind the next 1500 tomes. Oh...wait...

EW was a mistake.

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EW wasn't a mistake. I don't wanna grind for relics. 1500 tomes is fine because I can get a weapon for all my classes very easily. I don't need complexity I need a shiny complex-styled weapon.

Join the Open Late Night Discord, they set up regular BA and DR runs.

https://discord.gg/28SRRADTK3,

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Originally Posted by Godzillaxpowerrangers

I am looking forward to what reapers new relic looks like.

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I'd imagine that this set of relics is going to be the joke weapons from the design contest. It was pretty obvious that those ones won because they were good candidates for being manderville relics, and we've already received the more serious half of the entries with the current tier's tomestone weapons.

This one:
https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/34...jpg?1670921999

EDIT: From what I've seen so far, it doesn't seem to be the joke weapons this time around. Thank god.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

I don't wanna grind for relics.

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That just means that relics weren't meant for you. And that's ok. But I don't think it's a good thing to have taken away the relic grind from the ones who enjoyed it for the sake of people who weren't the target audience of the content anyways, nor should SE be encouraged to do so. It's the time-based equivalent of nerfing savage or ultimate because it's too hard for casuals.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. Neither bit of content was perfect but...surely such content could just be designed with future proofing in mind instead of scrapping it altogether.

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Same here. And honestly, Bozja's alternate steps (the ones that allow you to go outside of Bozja itself to complete them) did a pretty good job at future proofing the SHB relic grind. The only true pain points for someone coming into Bozja now (ignoring the nonsense that is 180 normal raids) are trying to complete CLL/DR/Dal for the first time and the DR relic step. SE probably could design a fully future proofed version of Eureka/Bozja on their next attempt, seeing as they were pretty close last time they tried.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I enjoyed Eureka and Bozja. Neither bit of content was perfect but...surely such content could just be designed with future proofing in mind instead of scrapping it altogether.

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Bozja was future-proofed pretty well with alternative sources that aren't Bozja. EXCEPT aparently that one DR step because it was tied behind RNG-based grind that rivals pre-nerf ARR relics, which just makes both options terrible in retrospect. That's the issue, there IS future-proofing, but for some reason, for one single step that needed it more than any other, it was just done terribly. And Eureka is still purely just 'grind NMs until you start hearing Eureka overworld music whenever you close your eyes' when it comes to relics. Exploratory zones are good idea as a whole, and Bozja was a step in right direction with making it more solo-friendly in terms of relic grind aspect and, as result, future-proofed, without invalidating the zone itself entirely, as its useful still for both leveling other jobs and equally good as other sources of grind steps. I hope that 7.0 will iterate further on actually making exploration zone fun kind of fun, and not 'just extremely grindy and unnecesarily punishing and leaving people who play in bad timezones next expansion and want to go back to do this dead in the water' kind of fun.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

I mean, you have to go thru the entire Manderville Questline to even unlock the Relic and if you weren't really a fan of the questline, that's as much a kick in the nads as BA or DR ever were.

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This.

I mean, I know some players like/love them, and that's their prerogative. I, however, feel that they should've drawn a line under those quests rather than drag them out because whoever writes those stories doesn't seem to care that their running gags are actually limping quite badly now. It's all so predictable - Hildibrand flying through the air and landing headfirst in the ground with his clothes in tatters, Nashu being a scatterbrain, Godbert running around in his underpants (*shudder*) have been done to death.
In fact, I would argue that this nonsense is a good example of the 'Overused Running Gag' trope, but it doesn't quite qualify since said trope requires the writers to be aware that the so-called humor has run it's course.

Anyway - I guess I'll sigh and eye-roll my way through the usual, predictable, shenanigans this storyline always presents for the sake of the relic weapon. I just wish they'd change the formula a bit.

Easily BLU. I think the BLU level cap and new spells is what I'm most excited about.

After that probably the relic, though I'm more meh on that than I would be with an Exploration Zone. New model and aura effects are cool, and I like the Hilde story enough I want to see the next part, but I'm not as excited as I would be, say, if we were talking about Pyros dropping.

After that, probably Criterion...but meh. I didn't do the last one at either the medium or hard difficulties, just the solo mode since I wanted to see all the paths and the story. But that's because I cared about Sil'Dah'/Ul'Dah's combined lore. I don't even think I've heard the name of this mountain before, so I don't actually care about it at all at the present time, and so I have no interest in the story going in, even if they give me some reason to care (maybe it hides a secret Allegan outpost with major lore implications...but probably not; it's not MSQ, after all.)

Don't tend to care about the Crafting/Gathering relics. I like some grind in my relics, but those are just MINDnumbing. I still haven't finished the Ishgard ones (though I've come close with one...like 2-4 years later...)