Targeted mitigation often does not work

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If it can hit casters it's usually magic damage because SE has to account for casters having higher magic defense. Addle and feint mitigate both now so it will work with either damage type.

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Warder's Wrath says hi.

Real shame you can't mitigate hopeless whiteknighting...

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Warder's Wrath says hi.

Real shame you can't mitigate hopeless whiteknighting...

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Also most dives in Ultimate, including the mirage dives in eyes that can 100 to 0 a caster with the same mit a melee would survive.

Group mitigation doesnt always work either because there can be up to a full second between the first party member receiving it and the last. The game is hopeless jank in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

It also never feels like basic healing mitigation ever works either. Things like AoE mitigation to protect the party. It never really feels like it does any mitigation at all, and is just there to cast, yet do nothing to help. I am sure it's helping in the grand scheme of things, but it never really just feels like it does. You can see Reprisal numbers just off watching the damage ticks that are built in game. You can watch a mob hit you for 2k, then apply a mitigation and see that number average drop for the duration. I wish the same would apply on a mitigated strike that a healer put on to show it, but I have yet to see anything to tell.

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Worst thing is the way shields are applied. They're not applied to everyone all at once because of the sh!tty netcode / game engine.

Nope, they're applied from the top of the party list to the bottom one at a time.

So if you're not fast with your cast you can literally have certain people get the mitigation and some not. Sometimes it can take a whole second from the time your cast goes off until party member 8 is shielded. Which make party order super important for a healer!

I honestly think that mitigation is similar. If you to time it RIGHT before the ability goes off, even if it shows the debuff icon on the boss, the game might not register it always due to netcode latency.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the game basically does a coinflip on the Ultimate End cast. Sometimes it comes from Thordan, and sometimes, it comes from one of his untargetable knights, despite Thordan always being the actor who casts Ultimate End on the enmity list. This makes all debuff based mitigation totally useless sometimes on one the hardest hitting attacks in the entire fight, placed right before you need every member alive to take advantage of Thordan's damage taken up debuff.

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I wonder if that's intended or not (a bug perhaps?), because that seems extremely cheap on a mode that is supposed to be tightly balanced.

Hell, damage shouldn't even be abled to have a "high roll". It should be static. Consistent. You know what to expect and how to properly plan your CD's appropriately.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Worst thing is the way shields are applied. They're not applied to everyone all at once because of the sh!tty netcode / game engine.

Nope, they're applied from the top of the party list to the bottom one at a time.

So if you're not fast with your cast you can literally have certain people get the mitigation and some not.

I honestly think that mitigation is similar. If you to time it RIGHT before the ability goes off, even if it shows the debuff icon on the boss, the game might not register it always due to netcode latency.

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I didn't realize this and it... Explains a lot actually lmao

I mean it's terrible and annoying but also pretty funny

Yeah, was always told if the cast bar of the boss is less than like around 1/3 from finishing, unless its a really slow cast, then any midigation popped then is too late to register for that hit... It definitely seems like they improved it in EW though, especially healer shields, things felt far worst before.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If it can hit casters it's usually magic damage because SE has to account for casters having higher magic defense. Addle and feint mitigate both now so it will work with either damage type.

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That... is incorrect

Warden's Wrath is Physical
Slam Shut is Magical
They almost look the same

There are many other instances that the attack looks Magical but it is actually Physical and vice versa, SE likes to be very inconsistent with their damage types and I am stumped to why they have not added the best QoL in a game where you have to know what type you should be blocking and that QoL is Damage Info!

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

If it can hit casters it's usually magic damage because SE has to account for casters having higher magic defense. Addle and feint mitigate both now so it will work with either damage type.

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u may be used to more regular content where magic/phys dmg distinction does not matter at all tbh... several folks pointed this out already but ill say it too, DSR especially has some nasty physical dmg aoes that absolutely decimate healers, the light party stacks in p2 thordan, and the mirage dives on p4 eyes r just two examples, i use bloodwhetting on my healer every time so that they dont die to the disgusting dmg variance, u cant expect unavoidable dmg to always be magical, gotta rely on third party tools to tell whats what

also while feint and addle technically work on everything, dont forget the weaker element they target is only half as effective... 5% mit is not particularly great, it is pretty much just in the "good luck" category

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Worst thing is the way shields are applied. They're not applied to everyone all at once because of the sh!tty netcode / game engine.

Nope, they're applied from the top of the party list to the bottom one at a time.

So if you're not fast with your cast you can literally have certain people get the mitigation and some not. Sometimes it can take a whole second from the time your cast goes off until party member 8 is shielded. Which make party order super important for a healer!

I honestly think that mitigation is similar. If you to time it RIGHT before the ability goes off, even if it shows the debuff icon on the boss, the game might not register it always due to netcode latency.

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i find this ripple effect annoying as well, but it is something that can be fixed easily, simply pop it earlier

there is absolutely no reason to use stuff last second, reprisal e.g. is pretty slow to get applied for some reason (CD is at 59 by the time the debuff finally appears), best case scenario u mitigate an extra auto by 10%, yayyy!!! worst case, someone dies

In Heavensward, it had become a trend that a lot of damage was magic and SE talked about how they kept making changes to whether content dealt magical or physical damage when balancing it. The only logical reason they could care about this so much is because of how casters have less health and less physical defense, and more magical defense. But in that time, all tanks didn't have Reprisal and not everyone had Feint or Addle. What we had were certain combos that could be repeated to mitigate physical or magic damage, but I don't know if it was really balanced around those being used.

Then in Shadowbringers, we got Dark Missionary and Heart of Light, aoe mitigation which only works against magic, but with the above context, I didn't think it was that much of a problem because of how SE likes magic damage.

What I have noticed in modern content, where we actually have abilities like Reprisal, Feint and Addle, is that they are necessary when the content is new to prevent wiping to a raid-wide, so perhaps they have stopped caring about the damage type in content where they expect proper and coordinated use of these abilities. But either way, all three of them mitigate both now, so it helps to know the damage type with Feint and Addle to optimize it but it's not entirely useless if you don't.

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Originally Posted by OM3GA-Z3RO

There are many other instances that the attack looks Magical but it is actually Physical and vice versa, SE likes to be very inconsistent with their damage types and I am stumped to why they have not added the best QoL in a game where you have to know what type you should be blocking and that QoL is Damage Info!

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My concern with adding the damage type is that if it's too obvious what the damage type is, then it puts into question what the point of a damage type is. If you don't know what it is, then you have to explore and figure it out and I imagine that is the intention. If we are going to explore and figure it out for ourselves, then it should be reasonably obvious from the animation or the cast name whether it is physical or magical.

I think there is a way in the battle log to determine it. If they "begin casting" and then "cast" an attack, it's magic. If they "ready" and then "use" an attack, it's physical.

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Originally Posted by Chopstix

u may be used to more regular content where magic/phys dmg distinction does not matter at all tbh...

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It's because I am a tank and have Reprisal, which works on both.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Group mitigation doesnt always work either because there can be up to a full second between the first party member receiving it and the last. The game is hopeless jank in that regard.

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shake it off is so obnoxious to use for this exact reason