ARR Dungeon Changes

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

The gross over-simplification of legacy content honestly worries me. When you look at the growing trend of job simplification, It's indicative of a desire to dumb down the game across the board to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I saw the same thing with happen with WoW and it pisses me off that they aren't learning from other's mistakes.

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I don't think its appealing to the lowest common denominator

I have met very few people that say they want easy mode, yet I have met hundreds of people that get pissy when there is a bit of adversity because someone else isn't on their level
Thats who these changes are trying to appease.

does the ultima fight count?
Seeing people panicking in what seems to be no way to dodge a mechanic was hilarious xD

ehn.

the dungeons were built around classes and abilities from 2.0 and ARR took far, far longer than it did now. it's also very very easy to overgear and overlevel yourself now. compared to some job quests (looking at you, arcanist) the dungeons were already a breeze. there were very few things in them that could kill you already. back in arr when wars had to steal flash from palis and healers needed to steal swiftcast from black mages, sure. but now it's like... it was already really hard to die in them, y'know?

i see no issue with any of the changes as the HW dungeons ramp up the difficulty nicely. hell, even keeper of the lake is more than enough of a slap to the face to wake up the beginners.

i'm fine with the changes.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

In most cases, simplification is good. It doesn't make things easier, it makes them simpler and less convoluted.
Some people like convoluted gameplay, but they are clearly the minority. Maybe you will get "ARR/HW classic" at some point ;)
A lot of the same things they changed really aged poorly...

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I dunno, I could have done with a refresh of Toto Rak that didn't turn it into.... three completely unthreatening health pinata trash packs plus a boring, no mechanics boss three times in a row. Nobody is going to miss the slowing floor sludge, but getting rid of the photocells, the poison bombs, and the web walls that sucked you in completely deleted all sense of flavor from that place. It was like grouping up to fight level 5 field mobs.

I haven't done all of the ARR dungeons since the changes, but what I've seen changed has been pretty decent where there were actual major changes.

Sastasha, I think they could've done a little more, maybe move the note more onto the path and not keep it in that side room. But it's not like the dungeon had any major issues to begin with so it being unchanged isn't really a problem.

Copperbell, the only problem the dungeon really had was the wait time in the bosses, that's been removed which was very nice and the bosses have been given more "normal" mechanics.

Toto-Rak, they scrapped over half of the dungeon, but somehow made it feel bigger than before. And by removing the photocells and Leaden, it's infinitely smoother to go through.

Stone Vigil, removing the cannons from the second boss is nice since you could end up with one of it's typhoons sitting on top of a cannon making it tricky to shoot it.

Dzemael Darkhold, the second part of the dungeon got a nice overhaul, removing the section at the bottom of the cliff where nobody willingly went to anyways. And filling in some gaps in the path.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

I dunno, I could have done with a refresh of Toto Rak that didn't turn it into.... three completely unthreatening health pinata trash packs plus a boring, no mechanics boss three times in a row. Nobody is going to miss the slowing floor sludge, but getting rid of the photocells, the poison bombs, and the web walls that sucked you in completely deleted all sense of flavor from that place. It was like grouping up to fight level 5 field mobs.

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The last boss definitely has a mechanic, put the mini bosses are pointless. much like in Tam Tara

The sludge before was why it was the worst dungeon, the overall boringness of it now keeps it the worst. You just wont groan as loudly when you get it

Haukke and Copperbell are the winners of the revamp.
Not requiring return plus the charm > petrify on last boss is neat and at least feels bad to fail even if its still inconsequential
And the copperbell bosses were awful. The slime had a good idea executed badly but the other two were pure trash

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

The last boss definitely has a mechanic, put the mini bosses are pointless. much like in Tam Tara

The sludge before was why it was the worst dungeon, the overall boringness of it now keeps it the worst. You just wont groan as loudly when you get it

Haukke and Copperbell are the winners of the revamp.
Not requiring return plus the charm > petrify on last boss is neat and at least feels bad to fail even if its still inconsequential
And the copperbell bosses were awful. The slime had a good idea executed badly but the other two were pure trash

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the first boss of copperbell is just me spamming the "/doze motion" emote 500 times

2nd boss was pulling teeth as i would scream myself hoarse telling people to stop attacking the frickin' bomb.

the 3rd boss was annoying not because people sometimes didn't know just to burn the main boss but because even old tanks would never pull the boss away from the rocky spot and would make poor monks and dragoons jump and hop over rough terrain to do their positonals.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

The gross over-simplification of legacy content honestly worries me. When you look at the growing trend of job simplification, It's indicative of a desire to dumb down the game across the board to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I saw the same thing with happen with WoW and it pisses me off that they aren't learning from other's mistakes.

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Remember when the game was hard and taught people how to play the game by having punching bags with mechanics you could ignore completely.

All reworked bosses have now mechanics every players has to pay attention.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Remember when the game was hard and taught people how to play the game by having punching bags with mechanics you could ignore completely.

All reworked bosses have now mechanics every players has to pay attention.

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I wouldnt be surprised if the strat for Copperbell becomes ignore mechanics and burn bosses. It doesnt really hurt much to fail them

Honestly, I would even dare saying it: they should rework Bahamut raids as well.