Content Idea:BCNM

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Originally Posted by Saraide

From where come the need of unlock keys. I know treasure maps have them but to me it feels more of a detriment to the experience than an improvement. If the fights are well made and fun to do, why not just leave them open for people to enjoy?

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In 11, as you killed Beastmen (goblins etc) you would gain "Beastman Seals" which could be traded for a trade-able item at the battle location. For this, the currency'd be poetics and/or GC seals

The point for this is, if you can do it infinitely, then you can just throw yourself at it until you luck out and then it might as well just be a plain old trial.
With a "cost" to enter, you're limited to how many you can do, and therefore want to do it carefully..a bit like gambling.
Also, it's something to do with a largely useless currency once you're capped out. I bought about 7,000 ventures during 5.0 with GC seals... I'll never ever run out. There's nothing else on that list I can possibly use; even the stuff that's sellable is not worth the effort to sell.

Gambling? Like some free to play game? Hard pass. This sounds like the system that many WoW players are vocally upset about and I cannot say I'd support this over other forms of battle content.

I loved the BCNM in FFXI they could be really fun and also a challenge. I did a good few way back as a Duo and really enjoyed them.

I remember we did one I can not remember the names it was a lot of slimes and at the time it glitched and for some reason we could not kill them in time. We lost the item we had farmed after contacting a GM it was a bug haha. We went back and refarmed even though we where a bit fed up lol but that is what I enjoyed in XI the challenge.

The game has so much content for people from casual to other so I would love this :)

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Originally Posted by kaynide

In 11, as you killed Beastmen (goblins etc) you would gain "Beastman Seals" which could be traded for a trade-able item at the battle location. For this, the currency'd be poetics and/or GC seals

The point for this is, if you can do it infinitely, then you can just throw yourself at it until you luck out and then it might as well just be a plain old trial.
With a "cost" to enter, you're limited to how many you can do, and therefore want to do it carefully..a bit like gambling.
Also, it's something to do with a largely useless currency once you're capped out. I bought about 7,000 ventures during 5.0 with GC seals... I'll never ever run out. There's nothing else on that list I can possibly use; even the stuff that's sellable is not worth the effort to sell.

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The limiting factor regular people already have is time. People already dont want their time to be wasted from non functional groups.

If you make the cost of entry so lax that it basically doesnt matter like if you were to use GC seals for it then you might aswell cut that step. If the only thing that's different about your suggestions from normal trials is the entry method then you very clearly have not struck gold with your suggestion. What's the problem with doing a fight until you figure it out? Wouldnt you still have to do that even with an entry cost? Wouldnt that just lead to looking up detailed guides beforehand basically being mandatory? Wouldnt that just punish blind groups for no good reason?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Too bad for you, but it works really nicely in FF11
It is not going to be a content for everyone but it is going to be a piece of content for people who likes team play

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Hah? I was saying it wouldn't be duty finder content. You'd make a group for it either via PF or with friends. I should have quoted the post before mine saying it wouldn't be good because someone making a mistake due to 'glue-sniffing' would cause a wipe.

I played a lot of FFXI during Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia. I really liked BCNMs.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Gambling? Like some free to play game? Hard pass. This sounds like the system that many WoW players are vocally upset about and I cannot say I'd support this over other forms of battle content.

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Oh lord, we're talking the most scratch-ticket of scratch tickets in "gambling" here. I mean, sure, if you're going to ignore everything else written and zero in on the word "Gambling", I can't really help you.

I have no idea what Wow does, so I can't comment there. This is the equivalent of a carnival game where you pay to knock over the bottles, but unless you know the trick or figure it out it, you probably won't win the prize first shot. Even going in blind you could win though, but it's not like you are losing weeks of life because you goofed...or whatever stupid thing WoW does.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

The limiting factor regular people already have is time. People already dont want their time to be wasted from non functional groups.

If you make the cost of entry so lax that it basically doesnt matter like if you were to use GC seals for it then you might aswell cut that step. If the only thing that's different about your suggestions from normal trials is the entry method then you very clearly have not struck gold with your suggestion. What's the problem with doing a fight until you figure it out? Wouldnt you still have to do that even with an entry cost? Wouldnt that just lead to looking up detailed guides beforehand basically being mandatory? Wouldnt that just punish blind groups for no good reason?

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I mean, if it cost like, 15,000 GC seals for 1 shot, that's not "nothing". 30,000 maybe even 50,000 for the "hard" ones. It's not hard to get, but it's not like it'll replenish in a day unless you're going full-nerd mode. Or like 1-2,000 poetics.

The problem is "figuring it out" doesn't make it different from a normal trial, in which case, there's no point. The point, entirely, of BCNM is the increased risk-reward.

Also, the point of this is not for hardcore raiders to do. They have content. They would certainly burn through this in a week with lots of grinding.

After the dust settles, this is for a group of friends who want to goof off on a Friday night, when they're all like "hey guys, I have a butt ton of seals built up.. wanna go do a few BCNM? Maybe get that (herpaderp)?"
..basically what we already do with maps.

I would enjoy it. I like the idea of hard to reach places/fights that consume time as long as they are optional.

This wouldn’t be content for everyone, it would be content for people with time to waste. I think the people who want everything immediately and easily accessible don’t realize there are others with more time that would enjoy intricate content. Not everything needs to cater to folk who don’t have time to play longer video games. This mentality of I should have everything easily accessible to me because I don’t have time for it is detrimental to the game.

There is already content that isn’t meant for casuals, such as savage and ultimate. So why shouldn’t there be content that takes a while for people who aren’t hard core, but want to have neat time sinks with decent rewards?

I actually like the idea of the BCNMs dropping a random dyeable gear item that is lvl 1 and can be equipped by all classes. Each BCNM could have a different pool of gear. It would get people really running that content to get that gear piece from another job they wished they had.

This could easily keep people subbed for longer.

Ath192: Basically yeah; if each BCNM had 1 or 2 rare RNG drops that'd be amazing.

I'd say my target audience is the mid-core players. People who do the raid series, but not really interested in Savage...and also people who play fairly long term, generating lots of unused currency. Basically something to do once you've done all the main content,but also something you can just "pick up and play" with friends without lots of scheduling/organizing.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Gambling? Like some free to play game? Hard pass. This sounds like the system that many WoW players are vocally upset about and I cannot say I'd support this over other forms of battle content.

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*Looks at squadron loot boxes, PotD/HoH shards, Wonderous tales, Faux Hollows, Cactpots*
I mean, it's not like it's 100% like a free to play ga-
*Looks at story/level skips and cash shop*
Nevermind. :/