Hm Square enix dev please take a look at this

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

why do people care so much about the class system? Bard is a ARC with 5 new spell it still play as a ARC it still have a bow still have the same rules just 5 Spell that make it better then class for doing full party events. Like the other jobs just have 5 new spell which make it better for party.

How many topic do we have to make before people understand that class=solo / low manning and job= party? people who want to solo can play class people who like party can play jobs. But for some party event class are still better like ifrit i wont go as drg i like to go as lancer due to the fact that i live longer and can get people up if they die + i can heal and stoneskin myself if the other whms fail to do there job.

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For a lot of the jobs the classes become pretty much obsolete when you get them, even for solo. As for the LNC/DRG example I think that's more of an issue with class balance around that battle than job mechanics. All things considered it really is the worst fit for that fight.

I hadn't really considered the PvP aspect of classes, to be honest, largely in part because I haven't really touched them since 1.21. That'll be really interesting to see how it plays out whenever it's patched in.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

why do people care so much about the class system? Bard is a ARC with 5 new spell it still play as a ARC it still have a bow still have the same rules just 5 Spell that make it better then class for doing full party events. Like the other jobs just have 5 new spell which make it better for party.

How many topic do we have to make before people understand that class=solo / low manning and job= party? people who want to solo can play class people who like party can play jobs. But for some party event class are still better like ifrit i wont go as drg i like to go as lancer due to the fact that i live longer and can get people up if they die + i can heal and stoneskin myself if the other whms fail to do there job.

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Jobs mostly out shine classes in any content whether it be low man or whatever. For low man all you really need is a war and whm and you "should" be good for most things.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

Jobs mostly out shine classes in any content whether it be low man or whatever. For low man all you really need is a war and whm and you "should" be good for most things.

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Yes but a DRG is still a lancer a monk is still a pug i don't understand the hate of the job system. If warrior can solo better then jobs then why not just play war? why do people hate the job system if they still playing the class they love? we ask for them to release drg,war and the real name of the class sense beta we never like the idea of pug,thm,lancer. It's like everytime SE fix something they want fix there people who come out and dislike the idea and bitch it's like don't like it? then deal with it the game can't be for everyone.

The point is job are class at the end you still playing your fav class so why do you care so much about being class a Lancer over being a DRG? you still a dam lancer with just 5 added JA which help and limit you but still. Lancer can solo a DRG does not have much healing sure some jobs are better at soloing like warrior vs mrd so just play the dam warrior lol who still a mrd at the end of the day.

or there something i'm not seeing? can someone explain why people want class to be better the jobs? then jobs are the class at the end lol

they should just delete the class system so people would stop bitching.

Jobs extend the classes and offer certain restrictions of their own. I was actually rather amazed to see people wanting to even retain the classes and not just convert them all to the most similar Job.

Whenever you add new stuff to the game, somebody just has to go "what if I don't wanna do that?" even if it requires minimal effort or is handed to them on a silver platter.

I sometimes wonder if the people complaining about class viability are unable to complete the job quests or something.

I like the basic premiss of this thread.

"Make a class a lot more different than its job counterpart" or "Widen the gap between classes and jobs".

I like it...

Classes with the same treatment as jobs (2 sub classes to use from that shouldn't necessarily be the same ones the job uses, 5 unique abilities, Artifact gear and weapons.)

Turn Classes into jobs?

There is no reason for a Gladiator and A Paladin to be almost identical anyway.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I like the basic premiss of this thread.

"Make a class a lot more different than its job counterpart" or "Widen the gap between classes and jobs".

I like it...

Classes with the same treatment as jobs (2 sub classes to use from that shouldn't necessarily be the same ones the job uses, 5 unique abilities, Artifact gear and weapons.)

Turn Classes into jobs?

There is no reason for a Gladiator and A Paladin to be almost identical anyway.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/955/73761307.jpg

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GLA and PLD are the same thing just diff name at the end if people have issue with the class system and SE want ti delete the class and keep the jobs. PLD would still GLA and still would have the same spell just added a few more i don't see a issue with class or job they both the same thing too me.

They should just keep classes as an after thought and whoever feels like playing classes; let them.

The end.

They shouldn't "get rid" of classes, they should just call the current classes that we have right now the same name as jobs, ex: Pugilist will be called Monk starting at level 1, at level 30 they can do the quest to focus their jobs using a soul crystal, giving them what they have as "jobs" now.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

GLA and PLD are the same thing just diff name at the end if people have issue with the class system and SE want ti delete the class and keep the jobs. PLD would still GLA and still would have the same spell just added a few more i don't see a issue with class or job they both the same thing too me.

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Yes they are very similar.

What I'm saying is lets give GLA:

a) 5 unique abilities.

b) 2 sub classes to choose abilities from.

c) AF gear and weapon.

And make it "not" the same thing as PLD, but its own identity not just something from a broken system the current dev team is too afraid to scrap in fear of QQing.

Maybe make its focus be slowly bleeding the mob's HP/MP/TP instead of a right out DD or something.

classes need there own AF

and why do people always want to get rid of stuff in game??