Rescue needs to stop

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Originally Posted by Chrisnetika

Clearly some of you failed to read what I wrote, tbh I had low expectations to think anything good would come from posting here so let me rephrase. I DID NOT say remove rescue I simply said not everyone wants to be "rescued" because it used as a tool to grief. Simply said what needs to be changed is allow people to opt from it somehow with exception to new players or players during duty for 1st time. Reason why griefers exist and things continue to happen is basic attitude of all here to let it all be and just ignore it. Ignoring problems does not make it disappear.. it just affirms them to be accepted.

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I will point out at that you didnt read all my post then I also stated it becomes a useless skill if people can opt out on it.

You also lose credibility and point of the discussion when you attack the forum. If you want a discussion attack the points being made and not people themselves.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

I dont consider a wipe and the attendant wasted time as consequences. A group failing and breaking up isnt really a "consequence" either. Ive played games where dying meant losing a level(like they recreated in eureka) or potentially losing all your equipment or even losing your character. If i die because some idiot is recreating a meme, i lose an extra 2% durability on my gear? That is literally nothing to me. On the other hand, dying on a BA run and not being able to finish? THAT is a consequence. The OP died one extra time in an alliance raid. Their "consequence" is an extra 200 gil on their repair bill, and the irritation at the person who caused it. So nothing.

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I loved XI as much as the next guy but gamers these days don't want it. And progging a fight for a few days (as in not winning first try) IS still a consequence.

Hello :)

Sorry about ur bad experience, but it sounds like its only one time this happened for you. You shouldnt go around blaming a whole generation for one bad raid group... I mean... lol.

I've been in afew bad groups before, it happens. Generally its just bored trolls who are making a joke to have fun and you are the one who suffers.

You can report them and you can leave the group and do something else.

Also if this continues to happen to you in random groups maybe there is something you are doing wrong to make them angry at you?

Anyway, keep playing have fun!

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I do min ilvl savage stuff for fun and death there absolutely has consequences. Should be way more for the rest of the game.

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There's no reason to be pedantic. Their response was within the context of this question of trolling. Min ilvl savage fights aren't what's being discussed here. Those parties already have all the tools they need to fix people trolling and wasting their time already.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

And progging a fight for a few days (as in not winning first try) IS still a consequence.

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And i still disagree. Doing min-ilvl Savage fights means you are SIGNING UP for repeated wipes as your group figures out the mechanics(if blind) and/or figures out how to execute everything properly together. That means death isnt a consequence, its a feature of the content. And as Tarrick points out, you do already have the tools to deal with such tomfoolery. Tomfoolery which i would imagine would be far less common then what the OP was complaining about, which still doesnt really happen often enough to be a concern.

Being able to "opt out" of being rescued is as open to griefing too. What about mechanics where the best way to complete it is to rescue (hello world), you could grief by turning it off.

Also, lets opt out of provoke and shirk - can be used to grief.

Remember that debuff called "beyond death" - Well let us opt out of all shields and mitigation then because someone could use them to troll you and make you die.

Almost every skill in the game can be used to grief someone in some way.
Look forward to being kicked from parties or not being allowed to join for having the "opt out" status.

Rescue is kinda boring...i shouldn't have to save someone from an AoE, sometimes they have to learn

How do you report people

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Originally Posted by Dega666

How do you report people

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You can contact the support ingame. On PC it´s "ESC and customer service / infos -> contact tab. Don´t know where to find it on PS. But i highly doubt that someone is getting banned or so for using rescue, unless they´re starting to insult you afterwards in the chat. Sometimes it might be a missclick too.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

Rescue is kinda boring...i shouldn't have to save someone from an AoE, sometimes they have to learn

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There are fights, where the ppl which needs a rescue can´t do anything about it. Ramuh EX is probably the prime example. You haven´t done anything wrong, when others don´t free you. So rescue is a great tool.

I still remember with happiness the time when my 3 healers in D Reginae tried to kill me by "rescue" in the AoE on the last boss, because I told them they were slow and useless.

It allows a lot of craziness with this relatively useless skill except for the times I was able to "save" tanks that didn't know the mechanics to thank me afterwards, not all negative, but relatively very useless in most cases.