It's why I wish SE would enforce the harsher restrictions and not rollback the policy. I'm OK with throwing some of those people a bone and removing there ersatz FC/person house requirement and leave the houses only to the FCs and deal with the entire FC housing side of the situation at a later date - mostly because the FC house ownership thing is kinda obscure within game (or at least, something I may have missed) and you shouldn't have policies based around what's effectively trivial pursuit in a game cause all that does is cause confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
Either way, someone owning THAT many houses kinda shows just how broken the system is - and I'm fairly certain that's not the only person that has an absurd number of houses. Stuff like this is why we can't have nice things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luna-M
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08-20-2020, 03:01 AMAlmagnus1
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08-20-2020, 12:49 PMAlien_GamerNobody is going to say the system is flawless and I doubt many would even argue that its not broken but the issue of him owning a ward by himself is separate from people being grandfathered in. He bought almost all of those after the buying restriction was put in place and he's done it through numerous FCs named the same across multiple separate accounts. While what he's done could be considered poor taste, he's not actually broken any rules. Furthermore, not only is this not a loophole, its something SE specifically enabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
As for grandfathering, you should never be a proponent of having SE take something away from players that they've earned. Thats something that will get messy fast and its a pandora's box that should never be opened. Not only that, but taking away someone elses house doesn't fix the issue. Sure it will let a few dozen buy a house...out of several thousand that still don't have one. Instead of taking away from other players, how about you post ideas for expanding housing in a way that actually fixes the issue? -
08-20-2020, 01:14 PMBaxcel
Firstly agreed that housing needs a revamp especially on these people who own multiple personal an FC houses..
2nd nb4 a certain someone with a main chr name comes in to insult everyone, while owning a tag showing around 30 houses. -
08-20-2020, 07:06 PMPentheaThat box has already been opened. When demolition was introduced a lot of people lost their houses. Yes SE did give warnings, but SE would do so again if they were to change the system in such a way that could remove houses from players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer
But that first time is a bit different as it was intended to remove houses from people who no longer play, but some active players still lost their houses due to not coming across the warnings for one reason or another. Removing grandfathering would be with the intent of removing houses from active players, which is something a lot of people are not keen on.
Although some would argue only resetting the timer on a house and doing literally nothing else with it (not even the most basic furnishings) doesn't really count as activity...and that is a debate that has gone in endless circles a multitude of time in these forums.
While I think that people should be able to do whatever they want with their houses, even if it's nothing, I do agree that seeing clusters of mostly deserted barren looking plots is a depressing sight. And if you're a player who can't even get a house, it would especially sting if you know of players who have multiple houses and do little other with them than reset the demo timer.
Grandfathering is not the core of the issue but it is something that is making a bad situation worse. Also far more than a few dozen would get access to houses when you consider the multiple instances of players and/or fcs owning huge chunks of wards, and sometimes even entire wards, across a lot of servers. Also in some cases one house can serve a large number of people, and obviously I am referring to fcs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer
If SE do remove grandfathering they should also allow players to share their private homes with their alts so that no character suddenly finds themselves homeless. Some people own multiple private plots because of alts, and some have even said they wouldn't mind having only one house if all their characters can use it. SE have already expressed interest in letting all characters on one server share a private home, so I think it's only a matter of time before we get this feature.
There's just no way of fixing anything without making someone upset. Even if we got a fully fledged instanced housing system some people would still be upset because they preferred the ward system.
Do nothing? People are upset. Do something? People are upset. The best thing SE can do is try to please a majority. -
08-21-2020, 01:34 AMNanaWiloh
I will never understand why people feel they need more then 1 fc and 1 personal house. I can perfectly understand if you got alts and one or more of them inherit a FC with a house. But intentionally going out and using the FC system to obtain more...I don't get it.
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08-21-2020, 05:08 AMAlmagnus1Which is why SE needs to change the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer
The needs of the many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs of the one.
I see one of the main issues with the housing system is resource distribution, and to fix that, you need to free the resources that players are taking up that exceed the restrictions listed at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ .Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer
While adding more wards helps, I still like the ward system (rather than the instanced one) as it allows for social and RP stuff that an instanced system cannot do - which is why FFXIV's genre is the MMORPG. -
08-21-2020, 07:58 AMJojoyaHouses represent gil income between gardens and FC workshops if you're playing daily to stay on top of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by NanaWiloh
More housing spaces mean being able to create more unique decorating designs without having to rip down old designs you liked.
I get wanting more. I'd love to have more myself (why I hope for an instanced system because that could accommodate multiple houses per character).
But there are people who care nothing for rules or for others. All that matters to them is getting what they want and they'll do anything to get it. Housing is hardly the only area of the game filled with exploiters and cheaters. But it is the one portion of the game that's a limited resource and that attracts those who thrive on possessing things that others are denied. -
08-21-2020, 10:15 AMTwistedTeaGil and more houses. FC houses are gil generating assets.Quote:
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08-21-2020, 10:20 AMCatstabLike every other poster has said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Almagnus1
-Multiple personals on one world is no longer possible, you can currently only buy one personal house per account per world
-SE will never take the step being suggested here, where they forcefully divest players of their grandfathered houses
-If any grandfathered player lets their houses auto-demolish, they will never be able to re-purchase personal housing for those alts
I'm not sure why this thread mentions "FC housing is fine, no issues there." Currently anyone can acquire up to 8 FC houses per account. So if people are concerned about multiple house ownership, I would think that concern would be rooted in the fact that any account can legitimately own 9 houses currently. -
08-21-2020, 10:27 AMBaxcelSo what your saying is that we need to start playing dirty to remove these players houses when they own more then one..Quote:
Originally Posted by Catstab
So we could do a sit-in once demolition comes back.. we flood a ward owned by one person so that the instance is full and keep everyone out for a month.. or flood the inside of the houses if unlocked an keep the person from entering to refresh the timer..
If these players wanna play dirty an hoard entire wards with the GMs not doing anything then its up to the players to play just as dirty an remove the option for them.