Tenacity

I'd say Tenacity is pretty close. It doesn't necessarily have to be the raider's favourite, but I think honestly it's not good for the average tank doing her DF runs and stuff, either. Maybe make it 30 per 0.1%, rather than 33, to start. Or better yet, decouple the damage and healing from the mitigation. Like, if it was, say, 16 for 0.1% DR, 32 for 0.1% damage, it would make it better at mitigation with minimal disruption to damage. Worth noting is that, as it's hard to avoid having a little tenacity in your gear, it would inherently make all tanks a little more sturdy by tampering with the stat directly.

Piety... yeah that one needs help. My friend who plays a lot more healer than I thought it could be cool if it gave you a bonus like DH for heals or something. In FFXIV, pound-for-pound damage is supreme, though at some point defensive benefits can yield opportunity cost via stability or reducing need for resources like oGCD heals so I don't think better utility/defensive stats are impossible.

Poor tenacity.

Its a fantastic stat in a game thats balanced around taking steady damage over long periods of time, with heals that rely on efficiency over 0-100ing you in a crit. Aaaaaaand thats not 14. Pie is mediocre for similar reasons.

It just needs to have its stat interval improved slightly and let hit replace det on tank gear, since ten is det with a mostly worthless secondary effect.

Honestly all materia should be removed completely. Its an extra step that seems customizable but is actually just artificial.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

IMO Direct Hit should have been for DPS only. Both healers and tanks got a stat that works specifically for them; don't see why DPS was exempt from that.

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It was intended to be until they realized that all the non-DpS pre-StB gear that had accuracy on it would need to be rebalanced. They did quick renames of Accuracy to Direct Hit and Parry to Tenacity.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

IMO Direct Hit should have been for DPS only. Both healers and tanks got a stat that works specifically for them; don't see why DPS was exempt from that.

Nobody will like this suggestion because they're obsessed with only the maximum level of deeps possible regardless of role, but whatever; still putting it out there anyway.

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Actually, I support this though I do think Tenacity needs a small buff to compensate. Making Direct Hit a DPS only stat would alleviate the problem Warrior has where only it wants Determination.

Nevertheless, you imply people are obsessed with DPS numbers as though it were a bad thing. People focus on maximizing damage because this game encourages little else. Tenacity, in its current state, does not save a healer GCD. They aren't going to deviate from their healing rotation because you have full Tenacity melded due to how scripted encounter design is. Therefore, Tenacity serves no purpose. Piety falls into this same problem. Only Astro considers it because unlike White Mage and Scholar, it has abysmal MP economy. Simply put, SE needs to incentivize these sub-states if they want people to care about them. Tenacity sounded great on paper when they first announced it. Sadly, it's just far too way for anyone to care.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

Piety... yeah that one needs help. My friend who plays a lot more healer than I thought it could be cool if it gave you a bonus like DH for heals or something. In FFXIV, pound-for-pound damage is supreme, though at some point defensive benefits can yield opportunity cost via stability or reducing need for resources like oGCD heals so I don't think better utility/defensive stats are impossible.

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The required Tenacity to save a GCD heal is so absurdly high we cannot even reach it. I'd have to dig around but I recall the amount being more than double what Eden's Gate offered. There is never an opportunity cost yielded, which is why no one looks at Tenacity. It says a lot when tanks avoid it even in Ultimate yet Vit melds were considered mandatory on DPS before they were removed.

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Nevertheless, you imply people are obsessed with DPS numbers as though it were a bad thing.

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It's come at the expense of proper play in too many instances for me to count, personally, hence my statement.

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

Nope, get in line bud. Piety rework comes first

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But...Piety got a rework 8 months ago. Tenacity has gone unchanged for almost 3 years now.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Honestly all materia should be removed completely. Its an extra step that seems customizable but is actually just artificial.

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This is probably the case in most MMO's (or RPG's in general) when it comes to having choice for multiple builds. There will always be a meta and most people will just look it up and copy so they won't under perform compared to community. The illusion of having a choice satisfies many people their RPG sense enough I think.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Is it time to rework / remove this stat like they did with Parry?

DH / CRIT being the best for everything all the time is annoying.

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Even though I like DH.. the little voice inside my head tells me "It's just doing morer damage, while crit does morerer damage).

I believe determination/DH(/tenacity) builds should always be meta, while crit builds being an option for those who want to rely on their luck to do godlike dps sometimes compared to everyone else (which statistically shouldn't happen very often).

Could perhaps be done by greatly decreasing overall crit chance while also greatly increasing crit damage. Would mean that we'd get much less crits in general, but it will imo make it feel even better when you do get that crit.