MSQ CS Torture, I have a Solution!

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Originally Posted by Vidu

There are always new people coming in, so... there will always be someone who needs to do this for the first time.

The actual best solution would be to turn those into solo-duties, utilising the AI they developed for Squadrons and Trusts and simply removing it from the DF alltogether, MSQ-roulette and all. That way no one will feel they have to "suffer" through those cutscenese the 100th times, while the new people can enjoy the end of ARR without feeling rushed or having people complain about having th watch those cutscenes again.

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I've actually ran it quite frequently with people who've already done it numerous times so it's not "always" going to have someone new. Though I am in no rush for any change to come to it, I expect there to be something in the future to change this on the account, you can pretty much run 3 other roulettes by the time MSQ gets done for the same amount of exp.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

There are always new people coming in, so... there will always be someone who needs to do this for the first time.

The actual best solution would be to turn those into solo-duties, utilising the AI they developed for Squadrons and Trusts and simply removing it from the DF alltogether, MSQ-roulette and all. That way no one will feel they have to "suffer" through those cutscenese the 100th times, while the new people can enjoy the end of ARR without feeling rushed or having people complain about having th watch those cutscenes again.

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Hold on a second. You just spent hours worth of replying and disagreeing with other suggestions and then say, “just scrap the whole thing and add AI? What was the point of the whole helping new people rant?

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Hold on a second. You just spent hours worth of replying and disagreeing with other suggestions and then say, “just scrap the whole thing and add AI? What was the point of the whole helping new people rant?

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"Hours worth"? Those replies took me a couple of minutes.

And the point was that I believe the best way to help new people to play through those dungeons for the first (and maybe only - if turned into a solo instances) time would be to add AI. Until that happens the best way is to make very sure that they can watch their cutscenes in peace by making them unskipable under any circumstances. The current payout is this high to encourage people to "help" new people. The main purpose of this roulette and especially the high reward isnt that someone gets some easy exp, its that someone new can get their clear. I believe AI would be the better solution here, but until we get that unskipable cutscenes are the next best bet.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

That might be the case for 1 person or so, even if then, the person who leaves will suffer the penalty and have to take that "Chance" of hoping to not get someone new. Again, not everyone is going be new to it forever, there will have to be a change to it eventually.

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Those chances are pretty high when you can just PF a group looking for a quick run and guarantee skipping cutscenes. Which, as repeatedly stated, results in newer players having a harder time getting through queues. And, again, rewards for having a cutscene-free run would and should be made minuscule. The rewards are incentive for being patient through cutscenes. Remove the cutscenes from the equation, and the rewards have no reason to exist.

In conclusion, none of this is a new idea, there is no simple solution, if you want the rewards, display some patience, the system works fine as it is for now, until it is completely overhauled.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Those chances are pretty high when you can just PF a group looking for a quick run and guarantee skipping cutscenes. Which, as repeatedly stated, results in newer players having a harder time getting through queues. And, again, rewards for having a cutscene-free run would and should be made minuscule. The rewards are incentive for being patient through cutscenes. Remove the cutscenes from the equation, and the rewards have no reason to exist.

In conclusion, none of this is a new idea, there is no simple solution, if you want the rewards, display some patience, the system works fine as it is for now, until it is completely overhauled.

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Or make it so you can't use the PF to sign up for that specific roulette. Wouldn't be hard. But we shall see in the future.

Adding to "solo instances would be the best thing now"... even with the cutscenes locked, the story pacing is increasingly ruined as parties steamroll over what were supposed to be epic encounters. Lahabrea can't even get through his battle script before he's at 1HP and only protected by a "can't die until complete" setting.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

That might be the case for 1 person or so, even if then, the person who leaves will suffer the penalty and have to take that "Chance" of hoping to not get someone new. Again, not everyone is going be new to it forever, there will have to be a change to it eventually.

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Both dungeons will take you 30 minutes or longer. Therefore, it'd be worth taking the chance more often than not, especially when you may not be the one getting the penalty if someone else leaves first. Another problem is a system which detects if someone is new could easily be exploited by simply kicking that person.

Either way, you're given such a massive amount of EXP to compensate your time. Asking for ways to expedite defeats the intended purpose. In any hypothetical where you could skip cut scenes again would likely have the rewards sliced in half if not more.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

"Hours worth"? Those replies took me a couple of minutes.

And the point was that I believe the best way to help new people to play through those dungeons for the first (and maybe only - if turned into a solo instances) time would be to add AI. Until that happens the best way is to make very sure that they can watch their cutscenes in peace by making them unskipable under any circumstances. The current payout is this high to encourage people to "help" new people. The main purpose of this roulette and especially the high reward isnt that someone gets some easy exp, its that someone new can get their clear. I believe AI would be the better solution here, but until we get that unskipable cutscenes are the next best bet.

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We need a skip cutscenes vote button or something. Majority or the new player don't care for cut scenes. Don’t see a point of forcing people to watch something they don’t care to see.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Majority or the new player don't care for cut scenes.

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The majority we hear from since the cutscenes were forced are those who don't care about it, because the unhappy people are the ones that complain, but I doubt we've got the data to say "the majority of new players" don't care.

Anecdotally I think there have been far less "new player unhappy with watching cutscenes" posts than we used to get from frustrated players whose experience had been ruined by the rest of the party rushing through the dungeon and forcing them to either skip cutscenes or be left in the dust.

In any case, the creators of this story-heavy game (that, MMO or not, is part of a series of story-heavy games) have decided to cater towards those that do care about the story they're telling.

And no, a vote button wouldn't work - even if it was technically possible, which I don't think it is. The unskippableness seems to be hard-coded into the cutscenes and the version in the cutscene viewer is also locked down.

The solution is don't run the content when nothing is forcing you to do it (except once for each instance for the MSQ). People don't seem to understand that the current rewards equal the time spent, having skipped cutscenes will result in them being returned to the puny amount they used to offer, thus making runs of other content/duties etc more practical than doing these ones. Not to mention as some others have mentioned, the pressure on players that DO want to watch the scenes would make for an unfair experience. No one is "forced" to do anything, really gets old seeing this used time and time again.