Please reconsider removing job restrictions on glamour armor

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Originally Posted by zeth07

Here is Yoshi-P's excuse for why it's not possible taken from a Kotaku article a few months ago:

https://kotaku.com/we-took-a-bold-st...ect-1835098319

5/29/19
Yoshi-P: to answer about removing the job restrictions, unfortunately, we don’t intend to remove them. The reason is simple.

For players who have played other Final Fantasy titles, they’ll easily recognize these gear designs as a way to identify a particular job...You wouldn’t want to see someone carrying an axe casting black magic. You’d wonder: What the hell kind of game is this?

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https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Raetic_Chopper_%2B1

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Originally Posted by AduroT

I think it’s weirdly silly that you can glamor armor into cloth, but you can’t glamor cloth into armor.

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This is not a restriction, although it is a side effect of ARR-era gear permissions that mage gear is "all classes" thus can be equipped by tanks, and thus glamoured onto their gear.

Lv1 glamour armour such as the Rathalos, Crystarium or Legacy sets can be used by all classes and onto any gear.

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I still suspect the real reason for not allowing "anything glamoured as anything" is that their coding wouldn't let them set exceptions to prevent relic gear (and possibly even weapons) from being included in that. So it's all or nothing, and they've opted for 'nothing'.

They just don't like to give technical explanations of their coding limits, so we get dodging answers like "it would look strange if you could do that" when actually they're avoiding saying "we don't want to admit we can't do that so we'll pretend we just don't want to".

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Job/Role identity and developer vision.
When they make all those pieces of gear open for everyone, they might as well reduce the amount of gear sets you get per patch by half. Because, why bother with diversity, right?

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That does not follow. There is more diversity if you can mix and match everything. You get job specific gear because you have played that job. They are potentially open to everyone, because all jobs are open to everyone. Your character is a single person, not multiple people, who can be any job.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This is not a restriction, although it is a side effect of ARR-era gear permissions that mage gear is "all classes" thus can be equipped by tanks, and thus glamoured onto their gear

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Right, this is more what I meant by armor to cloth but not cloth to armor. I don’t know if/when that changes. I’ve not advanced far enough to get into Stormblood content yet myself.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

That does not follow. There is more diversity if you can mix and match everything. You get job specific gear because you have played that job. They are potentially open to everyone, because all jobs are open to everyone. Your character is a single person, not multiple people, who can be any job.

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They would just reduce the sets in the future, down to 4 per patch. Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Currently they limit rolls separately from equip-ability. A healer can't need on a necklace that has strength but they can often equip it since a lot of jewelry is designated "all classes". They can limit loot rolls separately form equip-ability and glamour, especially if they implement a style collection system.

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And I would disagree with the idea of being restricted from rolling on gears that you can equip.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

They would just reduce the sets in the future, down to 4 per patch. Cloth, Leather, Mail, Plate.

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Why would they, what do you have to support this claim

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Originally Posted by linay

I think the real reason is the need vs greed loot restriction. We can glamour everything we can wear, so if every job can glamour everything, then every job can wear everything, and then every job can need on everything. And since we want certain jobs to be able to need on loots, then there is restriction in place for actuals gears (not glamour).

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That's a flimsy excuse, since you can set loot rules to work separately from job restrictions for glamour. As I've mentioned before, you could have it be something as simple as requiring you to level the corresponding class/job to use glamours for that job. So if I level MNK to lv60, I can glamour the Sky Pirate set of Striking to any of my other jobs so long as they are at least lv60 and the gear I'm glamouring on is higher item level. If nothing else, this gives people a reason to level additional jobs, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

That does not follow. There is more diversity if you can mix and match everything.

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This, pretty much.

Just to emphasize, this is applicable to body gear, not the nonsense involving weapons from the Yoshida quote at the top of this page.

I too feel like this is long overdue, and it's especially driving me nuts this patch, where all the sets I love extremely much can't be worn by the jobs I play most.

I see little reason why the system couldn't simply allow you to glamour anything that you have the required job at the required level for. Nothing would change about Need/Greed rolling that way, just now I could apply a level 80 DRG glam to anything, since I technically AM a level 80 DRG and could wear this outfit within seconds anyway with a class change.

As a bonus, I strongly feel this would be a fantastic incentive for people to actually level other jobs, something that the developers recently tapped into with the Amaro mount.

Trust me on this SE, nothing would be a more alluring carrot than omni-glamours. Your glamours are great. Let us use them on everything!

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Originally Posted by Duelle

That's a flimsy excuse, since you can set loot rules to work separately from job restrictions for glamour. As I've mentioned before, you could have it be something as simple as requiring you to level the corresponding class/job to use glamours for that job. So if I level MNK to lv60, I can glamour the Sky Pirate set of Striking to any of my other jobs so long as they are at least lv60 and the gear I'm glamouring on is higher item level. If nothing else, this gives people a reason to level additional jobs, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

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If I can glamour it, then I should be able to wear it. If I can wear it, then I should be able to roll need on it.