Dear Paladins

If healers didn't have the "oMG a LoT of ENemIes I'M gONna AoE INsTeAd of HeAL" syndrome, PLD wouldn't need to self sustain.

I play tons of both roles. It's easy for me to tell when a healer is struggling. Sometimes healers will make risky plays without having a sense for the rhythm of the incoming damage. Sometimes they just won't be using their kits right. That'll make me Clemency.

People make mistakes. I'm an accomplished SCH, and I vividly recall one or two instances where a mistake I've made has forced a PLD to Clemency. I mean, I've killed tanks before. We all have. But in these instances, you thank god the PLD is on top of things, stabilize the pull, and do as much damage as possible to make up for it.

There's usually a way to turn that Clemency into a DPS gain for yourself.

There is a perfectly valid reason that a PLD might hit themselves with Clemency at 95% health, and that is to activate Divine Veil before partywide damage. I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. I play both WHM and PLD and don't get offended when I'm healing a PLD who uses Clemency. I know that they're probably doing it to make my job easier so I can focus on keeping the rest of the party alive (especially if they're comboing it with Divine Veil). That being said, I have never run into a PLD who was "spamming" it (outside of an emergency) and if your PLD is "spamming" it then you might need to reevaluate your own healing ability.

Meanwhile in the land of Gunbreakers:

"Huh, I've been sitting at 5% health for like three GCDs. Guess I'll pop Superbolide."
Healer: "I JUST USED A BIG HEAL."

What's clemency? The thing I use before pull to pop my own veil and the thing I use if both healers are dead and I think I can clear. That's what clemency is. Outside of pull you NEVER use clemency to pop your own veil. It lasts 30 secs and the shield is 30 secs long for a reason. Healers pop your veil in combat. If large raid wide is going out a SCH or AST are going to pop it using shields so don't waist a GCD and 2000 mp to do thier jobs in that instance. They are already doing it so as long as you hit veil they will use it.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

What's clemency? The thing I use before pull to pop my own veil and the thing I use if both healers are dead and I think I can clear. That's what clemency is. Outside of pull you NEVER use clemency to pop your own veil. It lasts 30 secs and the shield is 30 secs long for a reason. Healers pop your veil in combat. If large raid wide is going out a SCH or AST are going to pop it using shields so don't waist a GCD and 2000 mp to do thier jobs in that instance. They are already doing it so as long as you hit veil they will use it.

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I occasionally use it in combination with Requiescat. I better have the gang recover from a botched stacking and get them topped off, rather than letting the lone healer bleed itself dry in trying to do the same.

lmao if the paladin is spamming clemency i just take the opportunity to dps more. I never complain about it, they've obviously been burned before, and if they want to use their security blanket, i dont mind. essential dignity/excog/ lustrate/ bene will still be there when tbey run out of mana.

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Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar

If healers didn't have the "oMG a LoT of ENemIes I'M gONna AoE INsTeAd of HeAL" syndrome, PLD wouldn't need to self sustain.

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I don't like this mindset you're saying here, the healer was probably letting you get low then burst heal you back up, unless you would have actually died, the pld sustain is unecessary

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

I don't like this mindset you're saying here, the healer was probably letting you get low then burst heal you back up, unless you would have actually died, the pld sustain is unecessary

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This. As a WHM I usually let tanks hover between 75-50 health depending on what I have and spamming holy, especially at the start to take advantage of the stun - but if I have Benediction I'll let them get close to 10% to make it worth. I'm kind of annoyed by PLDs using Clemency as if I didn't know what I was doing, but DF is a horrible place for both tanks and healers - I kind of get them not trusting each other.

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Originally Posted by Lynesse

I play tons of both roles. It's easy for me to tell when a healer is struggling. Sometimes healers will make risky plays without having a sense for the rhythm of the incoming damage. Sometimes they just won't be using their kits right. That'll make me Clemency.
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This. If I'm in a dungeon mass pulling, all my CD's are down, and I notice the healers struggling, I'd be stupid not to use Clemency.

A dead tank is a dead tank.