Doesn't RDM's AoE Seem Backwards?

Personally I would say have Impact scale its Mana generated based on the number of targets hit. Say, 2/2 per target, perhaps with a cap at 3-5 targets.
... and maybe drop each V2 to 5-6 Mana.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Impact is 3/3 which means with spamming the 2 7s I get a 2 mana increase over using impact. 28 combined instead of 26 combined over 4 GCDs. Do I suffer in potency? Yeah. Though really I am just doing as much DPS as back in SB. I also get faster moulinet spam.

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But how much faster do you even get moulinet spam if you're only getting 1 extra mana every 5 seconds, [at the cost of 100 potency minimum.]

<[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]> <[0/7] [7/0]>

56/56 over 16 GCDS


vs

<[0/7] [3/3]> <[7/0] [3/3]> <[0/7] [3/3]> <[7/0] [3/3]> <[0/7] [3/3]> <[7/0] [3/3]> <[0/7] [3/3]> <[7/0] [3/3]>

52/52 over 16 GCDs.

It's the same mana generated with less mana overcap when interacting with Manafiction for 50/50 into 100/100 while doing 800 more potency.

I guess I just find impact as one of the better things that did come out of this expansion, so I just don't want people to miss out. Like all things, it could be better, but eventually you have to draw a line. It's great at its job now and outpaces the filler aoe.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I'd rather have Scatter Spam back.

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I dunno I find tyhe new AoE atleast more visually Appealing..

I kinda wish u had a additional proc off the two Additional AoE Abilities, Just had a AoE of Verstone and Verflare it could even proc over the two same hotkeys while using AoE Rotation.

I feel it woulda Spiced it up alittle more and been able to give generation alittle more pace then it does currently which can feel slow.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Impact is 3/3 which means with spamming the 2 7s I get a 2 mana increase over using impact. 28 combined instead of 26 combined over 4 GCDs. Do I suffer in potency? Yeah. Though really I am just doing as much DPS as back in SB. I also get faster moulinet spam.

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Why would you want to do "as much DPS as back in SB" when you're fully able to do far more by just using Impact properly? You're gaining 1 extra Mana per Dualcast cycle at the cost of 100 potency in an AoE situation where our AoEs have no damage falloff... All so you can get Moulinet 1 GCD faster? When Moulinet actually does less damage than Impact?

If you really want to play that way, you should still be using Impact most of the time;

Verthunder II > Veraero II (7/7) > Verthunder II > Veraero II (14/14) > Verthunder II > Veraero II (21/21) > Moulinet (3 Dualcast cycles) - Combined potency - 920 per mob
Verhtunder II > Impact (10/3) > Veraero II > Impact (13/13) > Verthunder II > Veraero II (20/20) > Moulinet (3 Dualcast cycles) - Combined potency - 1120 per mob

But lets just do things properly instead;

Verhtunder II > Impact (10/3) > Veraero II > Impact (13/13) > Verhtunder II > Impact (23/16) > Veraero II > Impact (26/26) > Moulinet (4 Dualcast cycles)

Now, doing a combined potency for that is a bit unfair, it has a whole extra Dualcast cycle in it, after all... Lets just compare in terms of GCDs though. Both previous methods had 7 GCDs worth in them for their potency. Lets take the first 7 GCDs from above and combine their potency - 120 + 220 + 120 + 220 + 120 + 220 + 120 = 1140 per mob - Do I even need to bother saying more?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

When Moulinet actually does less damage than Impact?

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Just a small correction, Enhanced Moulinet does do more pps than Dual casted impact [, even though yes 8 impacts completely overshadow any possible gains from it coming a gcd early. ]

E. Moulinet- 200/1.5 = 134 pps
Impact- 220/2.5 = 88 pps

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I dunno I find tyhe new AoE atleast more visually Appealing..

I kinda wish u had a additional proc off the two Additional AoE Abilities, Just had a AoE of Verstone and Verflare it could even proc over the two same hotkeys while using AoE Rotation.

I feel it woulda Spiced it up alittle more and been able to give generation alittle more pace then it does currently which can feel slow.

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Alternatively, I'd rather Scatter / Impact be the starter and have a built in effect.

Impact
Spell
2.5 Seconds
Effect: Deals damage in a 5y radius to the target for 130 Potency. Grants "Scatter", causing the next spell to target all enemies in a 5y radius and deal 35% less potency.

Fact of the matter is this exchange gave Red Mage slightly better AoE at the cost of hotbar efficiency. Bleh. Feels awful.

I like it the way it is, but I just wish that Impact would have an “enhanced Impact”, even if it were a 20% chance, that went from giving 3/3 >> 5/5. Just feel the mana accumulation on AoE is far too slow.

My guess is that this was a very poor attempt at making the job more "complex". Because from a "what would make more sense perspective", Impact into Verthunder II/Veraero II is what we should have, just like we Jolt II into Verthunder/Veraero.

I think the current sequence puts it more in line with the rest of RDM's attacks, actually.

Your basic combos are Jolt-Aero and Jolt-Thunder, so why not Jolt-Scatter to go with it?

It's a bit odd yeah, though mostly I'm sad they went with these spells and not VerBlizzard and VerWater to give red mages access to all six elements.