BLM QoL suggestion

It is worth noting that since they're mutually exclusive actions, you could feasibly macro F4 and B4 to one action, as well as Ley Lines and Between the Lines.

But I agree, they should just innately be one button especially given how wonky macros are, and mixing the first two with Enochian would be a big QoL change.

I would also like to add to this list: Having B2 upgrade into Freeze automatically, and having F2 upgrade into Flare. The former pairing at least would be great for level-synching.

And if it wouldn't affect performance too much, maybe removing Scathe and just making B1 instant...?

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Combining Enochian, F4 and B4 would work. But honestly you shouldn't have an issue with BLMs hotbar setup.

I've got 2x F3s and 2x Enochians on my crossbars and still only use 36 spots.

In case you didn't know, but B2 and Lucid Dreaming are 100% useless and can be deleted to free up two spots.

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Lucid can be used out of combat , and when rezzed to speed up mp regen i guess? :S

Skills that can be consolidated in 5.0 [Proc/Summon Skills Consolidation]

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• Scathe becomes Xenoglossy under the effect of Polygot.
  
  
  
  https://i.imgur.com/4I1RWO6.png
• Leylines becomes Between the Lines after its used like Geirskogul and Nastrond.
  
  
  https://i.imgur.com/5hZQtzF.png
  
  
• Blizzard IV becomes Fire IV while under the effect of Astral Fire (or some varient of the two.)
  
  
  https://i.imgur.com/WqwhcXN.png

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Just some suggestions. Not everyone agrees with the scathe thing, but I think they server functionally the same purpose, with Xenoglossy doing it 1000x better. I can't think of a situation where using scathe would be better than using Xenoglossy? Maybe to save for an add phase for foul? iunno.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

Lucid can be used out of combat , and when rezzed to speed up mp regen i guess? :S

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Transposing or casting into umbral ice does the job infinitely better in both these situations.

The only (possible) benefit I can think of, is an extra cast of Fire 4, Despair or Flare. I suspect the latter 2 would result in a dps loss though in waiting for the mana regen tick to occur.

I like things as they are. If there are changes they need to be strictly optional. While some suggestions are fine for the majority of situations, they sometimes fail to take into account niche occurrences. Losing Scathe for Xenoglossy would be terrible when dealing with very weak or very low HP enemies for instance. Freeze now being a targeted spells means it can no longer be precast for free damage. B2 is now the only way do this, although admittedly the damage is abysmal.

• Make Enochian a trait (counter starts with AF/UI)
• Combine F4 & B4
• Combine Ley Lines & Between the Lines

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Originally Posted by JowyAtreides

The only (possible) benefit I can think of, is an extra cast of Fire 4, Despair or Flare. I suspect the latter 2 would result in a dps loss though in waiting for the mana regen tick to occur.

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MP doesn't regen in AF, even with Lucid... the only use I can think of is if you are in combat, on 0 MP, and without stacks; having Lucid in this case would reduce the wait before being able to cast B1/3.

NB: Lucid used to be quite useful as an enmity drop, but since that's no longer a thing...

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

As for Thundercloud procs, it's always a DPS gain to just use it as soon as it pops up, even if you're in AF. Well, presuming using it won't cause you to drop Enochian.

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Off Topic:
Based on what math?

Please correct me if I have gotten something wrong, however; from the math I've run:
Thundercloud (TC) = 70 + (40 * 8) = 390 Potency / 2.5s = 156 PPS
Fire I (F1) = 180 * 1.8 (in AF3) = 324 Potency / 2.5s = 129.6 PPS
Fire IV (F4) = 300 * 1.8 (in AF3) = 540 Potency / 2.8s = 192.8 PPS
Despair = 380 * 1.8 (in AF) = 684 Potency / 3.0s = 228 PPS

You have MP (with UHx3) for 7 Fire spells in AF; so ideally 7xF4 (average 192.8 PPS) ...
However, timing dictates that one of those needs to be a F1 (to refresh AF); thus we have the standard 3xF4 + F1 + 3xF4 (average 183.7 PPS) ...
There is extra room in AF now though, which allows for a TC proc (ideally somewhere in the middle for 100% Thunder up time) plus a Despair at the end, so 3xF4 + F1 + TC + 3xF4 + Despair (average 185.6 PPS) ...
Now you could fit in some more TC procs (either side of Despair), however; with Thundercloud being lower PPS than the average for the AF phase is this really worth it?

One thing is for sure though, sacrificing F4's to fit in extra TC procs is a definite DPS loss.

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Thus my suggestion that Thundercloud procs be able to be stored, either for longer or in a stack, until the point that they are actually beneficial.

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Originally Posted by Acidblood

Off Topic:
Based on what math?

Please correct me if I have gotten something wrong, however; from the math I've run:
Thundercloud (TC) = 70 + (40 * 8) = 390 Potency / 2.5s = 156 PPS
Fire I (F1) = 180 * 1.8 (in AF3) = 324 Potency / 2.5s = 129.6 PPS
Fire IV (F4) = 300 * 1.8 (in AF3) = 540 Potency / 2.8s = 192.8 PPS
Despair = 380 * 1.8 (in AF) = 684 Potency / 3.0s = 228 PPS

You have MP (with UHx3) for 7 Fire spells in AF; so ideally 7xF4 (average 192.8 PPS) ...
However, timing dictates that one of those needs to be a F1 (to refresh AF); thus we have the standard 3xF4 + F1 + 3xF4 (average 183.7 PPS) ...
There is extra room in AF now though, which allows for a TC proc (ideally somewhere in the middle for 100% Thunder up time) plus a Despair at the end, so 3xF4 + F1 + TC + 3xF4 + Despair (average 185.6 PPS) ...
Now you could fit in some more TC procs (either side of Despair), however; with Thundercloud being lower PPS than the average for the AF phase is this really worth it?

One thing is for sure though, sacrificing F4's to fit in extra TC procs is a definite DPS loss.

On Topic:
Thus my suggestion that Thundercloud procs be able to be stored, either for longer or in a stack, until the point that they are actually beneficial.

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Thundercloud procs are actually two things in one.
-- The entire potency of the full DoT on initial hit.
-- Applies the regular DoT.

So it is really:
[70 + 390 + (40 * 8)]/ 2.5s = 312 PPS

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

Thundercloud procs are actually two things in one.
-- The entire potency of the full DoT on initial hit.
-- Applies the regular DoT.

So it is really:
[70 + 390 + (40 * 8)]/ 2.5s = 312 PPS

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That is only true if you aren't overriding an existing Thunder DoT; i.e. if Thunder is already up then you cannot include the full DoT potency (if any at all) in the base potency.

The question is around the use of additional Thundercloud procs; i.e. beyond those necessary to maintain 100% Thunder uptime (or near enough to). As such, it is of no benefit to consider the DoT portion of Thunder / Thundercloud (as it either applies universally, or does not apply at all).

Edit: For context the full 'standard' rotation, which gives 100% Thunder uptime, (and taken in the middle of a fight) would be:
B3 > Xenoglossy > Sharpcast (weave) > T3 (or TC) > B4 > F3 > F4 > F4 > F4 > F1 > TC > F4 > F4 > F4 > Despair > B3 ...