The finalized 5.0 healer changes revealed (links)

What I do not understand is that SCH still is Hybrid in PvP (needs Broil to get Aetherflow Stacks) but in PvE they removed the Hybrid feeling? Does that even make sense? Does the PvP Team and PvE Team work together? Seriously this makes me even more angry because why not streamline in PvP aswell so it's not only WHM-oriented? This is madness, nothing else anymore and nobody can argument against this now because being Hybrid in PvP and not PvE anymore(I know SCH has still DPS skills, let's not be childish, it's about how and how much).

Really shocking and I really really hope they do something because this is beyond ridiculous.

And also: it is sad too see that the criticizing people were right about everything..I really hoped for something from SE but I guess they want the healer community to quit playing healer? I don't know anymore..

im still looking to see what the effect of catalyze means for SCH

Those Collective Unconscious nerfs are absolutely hilarious
Literally a shittier Sacred Soil now and I still have to channel it

Oh dear.

/10char

I'm not going to sugar coat this

Devs need to try harder than this if balance is their goal

Collective Unconscious needs to be buffed significantly as of right now sch can effectively have sacred soil up 50% of the time, its better in every way as sch is not rooted, heals more, its bigger by a lot, has a shorter cd, and its cost is non existent atm for anything lv70 and below, and bonus its a lv50 skill while ast has to wait till lv58.

Ast cards have no 'cannot stack' clause so they might effectively set up +20% damage up for 12-15s, but it still looks like it will have mp issues.

Whm/sch getting the reduced cast time on their physick/cure is nice but i think it would've been better on their Glare/Broil III cast times since from what i have seen you will be using these a lot more than physick(lol) and cure, they keep giving us too many ocgd options to use these frequently enough to warrant the reduced cast time.

I could probably think up more and lol smn got its regen buffed, its like the devs want a 1 hlr meta or something XD

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I'm not going to sugar coat this

Devs need to try harder than this if balance is their goal

Collective Unconscious needs to be buffed significantly as of right now sch can effectively have sacred soil up 50% of the time, its better in every way as sch is not rooted, heals more, its bigger by a lot, has a shorter cd, and its cost is non existent atm for anything lv70 and below, and bonus its a lv50 skill while ast has to wait till lv58.

Ast cards have no 'cannot stack' clause so they can effectively set up +20% damage up for 12-15s, but it still looks like it will have mp issues.

Whm/sch getting the reduced cast time on their physick/cure is nice but i think it would've been better on their Glare/Broil III cast times since from what i have seen you will be using these a lot more than physick(lol) and cure, they keep giving us too many ocgd options to use these frequently enough to warrant the reduced cast time.

I could probably think up more and lol smn got its regen buffed, its like the devs want a 1 hlr meta or something XD

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You are right but Sacred Soil only has Regen in ShB as far as I remember correctly?

Though it is all ridiculous atm, I am so angry.

What were they thinking? Did they think that we are happy? I mean seriously, they have to consider that people LOOK at the changes beforehand and that they look at their jobs and start thinking. Why do they change nothing? Why do they not talk to us? Where are CMs? If they have no Beta, okay, that's fine to me, but why is nobody talking directly to the healers?

I mean seriously, PvP actions and PvE actions are so different(SCH) that I think that they do not talk to each other(the devs).
How far do they want to go? Only one job left? 1 Heal job only? Oh wait, they started it already...

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I'm not going to sugar coat this

Devs need to try harder than this if balance is their goal

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But they couldn't afford to make a new healer thanks to this wonderful balancing we got, remember?

Less facetiously...the changes seem pretty bad. It feels like they took the simplest, laziest route at every decision point. Had trouble balancing Eos and Selene? Eh, just make them the same. Had trouble balancing cards? Eh, make them all the same. Had trouble balancing healer dps? Eh, just make them the same. Had trouble with healers feeling like they had too much downtime? Eh, just don't worry about it. Had trouble with people not knowing when to cast time magic spells? Eh, just remove them. That's what it feels like all the time, and it's kind of sad.

I'm guessing Healer will be a pretty rare role this expansion...and forever if they can't ever get their stuff straightened out.

Really looking forward to a whole expansion of potency fixes to try and deal with the changes before they can't make a new Healer in the next one since they need to balance us again.

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Originally Posted by Yulja

What were they thinking? Did they think that we are happy? I mean seriously, they have to consider that people LOOK at the changes beforehand and that they look at their jobs and start thinking. Why do they change nothing? Why do they not talk to us? Where are CMs? If they have no Beta, okay, that's fine to me, but why is nobody talking directly to the healers?

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I don't think they really have English CMs, but they did have "influencers" and players with a base of large followers come out for the media tour. Said influences & a few gaming journalism organizations had the opportunity to do interviews and ask questions, but guess which role didn't have any influencers/players that main their role attend?
And subsequently, guess which role didn't really get any questions asked about in interviews?

I don't think it's malicious, I think it's that they just don't have a solid media outreach team and the ones they do reach out to aren't focused on our role (healer). IIRC, during the last Fanfest in an interview Yoshi was surprised that people were expecting a new healer with this expansion and he didn't realize there was any sort of backlash at the lack of healer info that was dropped in the fanfest. They're just really out of touch with this role.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

its like the devs want a 1 hlr meta or something XD

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With all the extra healing abilities the healer got, it shouldnt be thaat hard anymore to solo heal pfs. That would probably the only situation where one would find use for their entire kit.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

im still looking to see what the effect of catalyze means for SCH

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It means that you can't deploy Catalyze, thus indirectly nerfing Deploy + Critlos. Deploy specifically speaks to spreading Galvanize.

It's actually a pretty ingenious way of nerfing Deploy without hurting Adlo too much in the process since Deployed Critlo's gave so much mitigation it wasn't even funny.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Sch is looking mighty even before these changes. Roll on home time so I can have a proper browse. One interesting note is that these potency bump should help offset the usual scaling woes the fairy sees as we level up.

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I feel like S-E is trying to push SCH to have two healing modes and to rotate between. Dissipation is a lot more palatable now due to both the nerf in Embrace potency and the fact you get the the fairy back afterwards. So you want to use Dissipation when pet abilities / Seraph are on CD to help push more healing with SCH.

( I don't really want to debate the semantics of whether the extra healing power is even needed - just wanted to state a personal observation based on the kit and some of the choices that went into the SCH changes )