AST: Card rework alternative

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Cards aren't the only thing setting them apart from WHM, and to think so is foolish.

What sets it apart right now is the incredible off global toolkit combined with the 1.5s Malefic cast time, allowing it to heal and DPS within the same GCD with little to no drawbacks. The cards are just the icing on the cake at that point. If cards didn't exist AST would still outperform WHM thanks to the sheer versatility provided by their kit.

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the global cooldown on malefic is the same as every skill. How do you know it has a shorter cast time and not know that?
WHM has pretty much everything AST has ogc in shadowbringers and then some and the lilies give them what is basically extra swiftcast+0MP versions of their spells every 30s on top of that

Cards is the only thing setting ast apart atm and they are the epitome of tedium in the currently proposed version

For me it would be: FIRST PLZ! give Royal/Spread, TD and Celestial Opossition EXTENDO xD
Balance: 10% Damage Dealt
Ewer: Mp Regen
Spear: Crit
Spire: Direct Hit
Bole: Def 20%
Arrow: Reduce casting/autoattack/skills

Lady and Lord could be what they want for 8% for ranged/melee.
Divination trait: time reduction everytime you use a card as for AoE attack potency of 3-4% but with the warranty to have it.

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Originally Posted by Roy_M

For me it would be: FIRST PLZ! give Royal/Spread, TD and Celestial Opossition EXTENDO xD
Balance: 10% Damage Dealt
Ewer: Mp Regen
Spear: Crit
Spire: Direct Hit
Bole: Def 20%
Arrow: Reduce casting/autoattack/skills

Lady and Lord could be what they want for 8% for ranged/melee.
Divination trait: time reduction everytime you use a card as for AoE attack potency of 3-4% but with the warranty to have it.

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Keeping Balance, or 'any' card with a direct damage increase just keeps us in the same "fishing for balance" boat that led to the train-wreck that is 5.0 astro. :T

Im all for keeping the 3-minute cooldown as being a +direct damage AOE effect (gives us something to work towards while healing). But that type of buff needs to stay away from the individual cards.

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Originally Posted by Rahspdoy

Keeping Balance, or 'any' card with a direct damage increase just keeps us in the same "fishing for balance" boat that led to the train-wreck that is 5.0 astro. :T

Im all for keeping the 3-minute cooldown as being a +direct damage AOE effect (gives us something to work towards while healing). But that type of buff needs to stay away from the individual cards.

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Well Direct Hit, Crit, Damage Dealt aren't not the same tbh and depends on the job. If you get bole, arrow, ewer and don't want to use it then use Lady/Lord for teh ranged/melee. But Divination trait would great (maybe to much) xD they could lower our overall dps if they want to but I really hope they give the royal/spread, TD and CO Extendo at least but just dreaming let's see how it turns out on the last live pre Shb(next week).

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Originally Posted by Roy_M

Well Direct Hit, Crit, Damage Dealt aren't not the same tbh and depends on the job. If you get bole, arrow, ewer and don't want to use it then use Lady/Lord for teh ranged/melee. But Divination trait would great (maybe to much) xD they could lower our overall dps if they want to but I really hope they give the royal/spread, TD and CO Extendo at least but just dreaming let's see how it turns out on the last live pre Shb(next week).

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Yea, wasnt saying 'all' of your idea was bad. 'only' the direct +Damage part :) Any card with pure +damage on it will just leave us right back where we currently are.

I don't know tbh I see Spear do better on brd than balance, same with arrow for mage, there are roles that work better with speed/dhit/crit than others. But my point was mostly to keep RRoad+Spread+TD+CO as they are, while making lady and lord like they wanted +8% att buff for rng and melee. While Divination a warranty AoE dmg buff (4% let's say) every 2-3 mins but a lower cooldown as you use cards.

Balance - Direct hit increase
Bole - Physical resistance increase
Arrow - Reduces spell/skill/auto times
Spear - Crit hit increase
Ewer - MP regen
Spire - Magic resistance increase

Lord - Damage increase
Lady - Damage resistance increase

Balance is obvious as atm the reason why the dev's see AST as a problem is the balance fishing well now it is kinda like Sprea but still different. Why Bole is oh physical defence and Spire is magic defence is well Bole is the world tree obviously the buff hardens the targets skin, Spire is a great tower that is constantly being attack by Ralgr and his levin bolts so magic made sense to me. I hate how Lady is the same as Lord since IMO Lady should be a protector so a flat def buff works.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

OP...no please, no.

We don't need more inconsistency on AST. New AST cards design is way better than HW/SB design, so please, don't break it.

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AST was only inconsistent if you were desperate for balance.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

AST was only inconsistent if you were desperate for balance.

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I think what she meant is that we will need to worry about seals while the RNG of the Ast is ok as long you manage it except spire but other than that if they allow spire to be direct hit should fix the problem. Just hoping they give RRoad and Spread + CO(EXTENDO) back.

The current Shadowbringers cards are ok but boring.

The whole thing i wanted to project in my original post was that AST could have card options that allow them to plan or prepare for future actions.
I know that people want to push the most dps, which is why the entire card system can be ignored even in current shadowbringer design. Because you can always push minor arcana for a damage boost. Edit: If we want max dps and already have seals all cards would be pushed to minor arcana, as the current tooltips stands it gives higher %damage

So i felt this bypasses the fishing for dps cards because they could all be dps cards, but you could also add to the spread for a tank buster or to give yourself a healing or mana boost in the future.

Glad to see people care to talk about the subject.
I plan on playing AST as my main, despite current opinions on balance. Cant wait to play it and have a gameplay experience to help develop my thoughts on AST and the other healers.