Why FFXIV is The Best

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

It is not bad plain and simple. You don't get quality if you keep changing your own lore. Star Wars did that. It created a weird unwieldy EU for a long time with some of it god and some of it really bad. If SE implemented male Viera as a playable race, it would be lowering their standard.

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The lore is based on how their society has functioned thus far. Their home is in peril and that requires them to either stubbornly cling to tradition and accept extinction, or break tradition and venture out to try and save their homes and their people.

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Stop complaining, stop whining, stop throwing a fit, etc. etc. Be happy with what you get!

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You can and should complain. I have.

What's annoying is when you throw yourselves on the ground kicking and screaming and start throwing around baseless accusations of homophobia and sexism over a cosmetic option, especially when you already have those cosmetic options.

Please take a deep breath, go play something else for a while, and get some fresh air outside with the sun.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

The lore is based on how their society has functioned thus far. Their home is in peril and that requires them to either stubbornly cling to tradition and accept extinction, or break tradition and venture out to try and save their homes and their people.

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Even if that were true, they still wouldn't be the WoL/WoD or adventurers at all, since your character would still have to get to that point in the story anyway. The is a great chance that is not true anyway, since you just made it up. We might not even see one. If you allow them as WoL/WoD, you also allow them as widespread adventurers at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

What's done is done, it's useless to complain about it at this point.

Or would you pref. them to scrap races completely now, hm?

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As manickitty said, was there any point to the complaints of Male Miqo'te and Female Roes wasted back during 1.0? What about bow mage, which from my understanding has seen considerable change from. Was all the complaints about having a Male bunny suit also pointless?

Answer to all of those, no it was not pointless. As those are all things in which we now have.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Even if that were true, they still wouldn't be the WoL/WoD or adventurers at all, since your character would still have to get to that point in the story anyway. The is a great chance that is not true anyway, since you just made it up. We might not even see one. If you allow them as WoL/WoD, you also allow them as widespread adventurers at the same time.

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Au'ra would like to have word with this discussion point.

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Originally Posted by Bongaboi

The community will need to get over it and they will. Wait and watch.

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They'll be over it next week when they spend their usual 3 hours taking screenshots of their catboys and catgirls.

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Originally Posted by manickitty

Was it useless to complain about no Male Miqo and Femroe, hm?

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There was not a huge outcry for that though. Not anything like right now.
They did this to show people that 2.0 was not just XI-II.

I'm personally fine with solo gendered races. It's a high fantasy setting, a place where these things can exist and it's (normally) acceptably okay.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Au'ra would like to have word with this discussion point.

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Au Ra can travel, particularly since they have various tribes with different standards and customs. Also Yugiri.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Even if that were true, they still wouldn't be the WoL/WoD or adventurers at all, since your character would still have to get to that point in the story anyway. The is a great chance that is not true anyway, since you just made it up. We might not even see one. If you allow them as WoL/WoD, you also allow them as widespread adventurers at the same time.

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The WoL is always an outlier. I can't repeat this enough. The WoL is this strange adventurer that belongs nowhere, isn't of any race in particular (hence why you can be a Duskwight and waltz into Gridania, or a Male Moonkeeper), and comes from nowhere at a vague point in time 5 years after the Calamity. The WoL has no lore to tie him down except coming to Eorzea for whatever reason, and being one of Hydaelin's many chosen, and she can damn well choose a Male Viera or a Female Hrothgar. Other Adventurers are not canonical to the Lore, hence why there can be 2 (6 in an alliance) non-padjali White Mages in one party, or 4 Summoners, or 4 Black Mages, or 2 Scholars.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

The WoL is always an outlier. I can't repeat this enough. The WoL is this strange adventurer that belongs nowhere, isn't of any race in particular (hence why you can be a Duskwight and waltz into Gridania, or a Male Moonkeeper), and comes from nowhere at a vague point in time 5 years after the Calamity. The WoL has no lore to tie him down except coming to Eorzea for whatever reason, and being one of Hydaelin's many chosen, and she can damn well choose a Male Viera or a Female Hrothgar. Other Adventurers are not canonical to the Lore, hence why there can be 2 (6 in an alliance) non-padjali White Mages in one party, or 4 Summoners, or 4 Black Mages, or 2 Scholars.

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Maybe read what I wrote? All the people that also choose that gender and race are still considered part of your world, but they are simply adventurers in your eyes. They still exist. Even if they are seen as a class, instead (f need be). But you can't assume they are a different race or gender. Also a male Viera likely wouldn't heed any call like that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

Maybe read what I wrote? All the people that also choose that gender and race are still considered part of your world, but they are simply adventurers in your eyes. They still exist. Even if they are seen as a class, instead (f need be). But you can't assume they are a different race or gender. Also a male Viera likely wouldn't heed any call like that anyway.

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They still exist, as random adventurers which the game doesn't delve into races or classes; there's even instances which are fuzzy on if our WoL does things alone or with others (in fact, most of the "call your adventurer friends" lines are from EN client, the other languages imply you did them alone). Again, Male Miqo'te, especially Keeper Males like my toon. They're supposed to have a lower birthrate than Male Viera and also be secretive and seclusive, yet they're very popular.

And why wouldn't a Male Viera heed the call? They're not a hive mind like the Gnath, and even the Gnath can leave the Onemind, there can always be that One teen that rejects his training, that One male that says "Screw this" and leaves, that One hunter that followed his prey too far out of the Wood and is now curious about this strange new world. The WoL is that One.