To anyone from SE or the Developer Team I need your help in a theft situation

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your example doesn't work in this case. You see at the grocery store and real life Items have set prices and we have these things called Change. In-game there is no change, and the seller chooses the prices of said items.
So in this case the price of the repair was 14mil.

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Damn really ; ; well they change once a day cause when i open up i gotta either keep the prices the same or change them based on the ranging scheme set up for me. So it changes a little? and people and always choose where to buy. ok ok that one is a bust i guess <,<

what about my awesomess family guy one?

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

your example doesn't work in this case. You see at the grocery store and real life Items have set prices and we have these things called Change. In-game there is no change, and the seller chooses the prices of said items.
So in this case the price of the repair was 14mil.

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You're arguing over semantics when it is simply morals.

Point Norack is trying to make is that this is an honest mistake, it is the moral choice for the person who happened to encounter it to return the money. That is all this is. You can spin it whatever way you want, but it is still the same moral decision.

Either way it sucks that the guy you happen to run into has no moral standing.

Morals, I'd like to see what your moral standing is when you've been entitled as a thief for a legal repair.

Op you made a bad mistake by offering Gil to repair, and you are making a worse mistake to trying to get it back by calling ppl thief.

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Originally Posted by LAN

Morals, I'd like to see what your moral standing is when you've been entitled as a thief for a legal repair.

Op you made a bad mistake by offering Gil to repair, and you are making a worse mistake to trying to get it back by calling ppl thief.

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Not to forget, that it seems like he asked for even more money than he did offer for the repair.

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Originally Posted by urhryu

The repair was legal. There is nothing SE can do about it since it's your mistake not his. If you think u can get back every single gil you lost, then I bet you will get back 0 gil. Be thankful he is giving you 11mil because the gil is rightfully his now.

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Why do you reply if you are uncapable of reading the entirety of his post. He did not get 11 mil back. He did not get 1 gil back for that matter. You are a heartless and uncompassionate creature. Go crawl back under whichever rock you came from.

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Originally Posted by Jamison

I'm sorry to hear what has happened to you, but unfortunately this is not extortion or griefing. Since he didn't play any part in helping you or encouraging you to make the mistake, there's probably not anything that can be done. MMOs are ripe with stories of folks who have lost gil or items by making mistakes such as yours, and you should consider yourself to be extremely lucky he returned as much of it as he did.
Certainly it would be nice of him to return all the gil, but there's unfortunately there's nothing that requires him to do so.

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Why do you people even reply if you are uncapable of reading the entirety of his post. He did not get 11 mil back. He did not get 1 gil back for that matter. You are a heartless and uncompassionate creature. Go crawl back under whichever rock you came from.

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Originally Posted by Alegis

What he did wasnt against User agreements or such.
U did not pay attention and he made a bunch of Gil out of a single repair.
Good day for him, bad one for you. Shit happens.
Sure, he isnt a nice guy, but theres nothing SE can do against this.
Next time u may pay more attention.
Edit: After reading ur chatlog about "stealing" and "callin GMs", i wouldnt have returned a single gil to you...

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Did you know you are heartless? How is it that you can side with someone who profits from ruining another player by taking advantage of his honest mistake? Do you really live in a world that sucks so bad you are so jaded to the point of salting his wounds? Go away.

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Originally Posted by Mychael

First, he really didn't have to give back even 1k, so if I were offered 10M out of my 13.7M, I would have been /groveling. But then reading through the logs you posted, that "say sorry in /sh and i will give you 11M.think about that[sic]" really annoys me. So this guy got a someone's money, and they're upset--anyone would be! I don't think demanding public humiliation is a very classy move, whether or not you actually intend to give back the money. Just seyyin'.

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I cannot express how disappointed I am that the first three posts were so rude. Thank you Mychael, for having a shred of decency in your heart, and for having put yourself in this poor player’s shoes. What this Nick Zealot guy is doing is completely sick and can be considered close to Extortion if not Blackmail.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

14,000,000 vs 10,000 even with lag how in the hell do you make that big of a mistake. I'm sorry but its not theft. All I can say is a lesson learned and be more careful next time. Don't expect everyone to be nice.

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Did you even bother reading the entirety of his post? Of course not, I can tell by the first sentence of your reply. I’m going to put you in the same ‘heartless’ and ‘uncompassionate’ category as the first three posters for massive failure to understand his situation.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

From the moment the repair happend it wasn't your gill anymore. You should have been happy with anything the guy would offer to return to you and take the rest of your loss as punishment for your stupid mistake.

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Another greedy, heartless, uncompassionate player comments where he doesn’t belong. See next quote.

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Originally Posted by Norack

I take it since he is treating this like actual theft this can be used in real life to? damn i work at a grocery store and one day this woman gave me $100 by accident when she only owed me $10. I kindly gave her $90 back cause she gave me $90 extra, but are you guys saying that next time someone comes in and grossly overpays i can just keep the money and say, sorry old grandma u where an idiot to overpay? and i get to keep the money? and its completely legal? omfg thx guys im gonna be so rich im gonna start stealing............um helping people with there groceries as soon as i go back to work tomorrow ^.^ (sarcasm if u didnt git it, -.- internet is not good medium for sarcasm ppl needs to fix that)
Reminds me of that episode of Family Guy where they get rich cause the government screwed up and gave Peter $150,000 a week. I dont understand in the end of that show he went to court cause appareantly what he did was "illegal" he did nothing wrong it was the governments fault for being idiots and mistakingly doing that, i mean obviously people are suppose to be 100% accurate at there jobs 100% of the time he should of been able to keep all that money and keep getting the $150,000 a week for as long as he was on wellfare. Right?.................im right right?

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Finally! A Post that shows someone is using their brain and their heart! This is such a great allegory representing the OP. I hope that 60 years from now when Urhryu, Jamison, Alegis, and Xianghua are old and decrepid that they get taken advantage of by this exact scenario. Their responses make me sick. What kind of a world do we live in with so little decency, kindness and consideration for fellow human beings?

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

your example doesn't work in this case. You see at the grocery store and real life Items have set prices and we have these things called Change. In-game there is no change, and the seller chooses the prices of said items.
So in this case the price of the repair was 14mil.

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Epic Troll = Epic Fail. This example DOES work. The old lady who slips me a hundred dollar bill at the counter thinking its 10 dollars does not realize that I switched her bill with the 10spot that was in my pocket and she just lost all her ‘change’ to my profit. Go away Wianghua and don’t come back until you find a heart, a sense of logic, and a brain capable of reading the posts you reply to. Freaking zombies…

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

You're arguing over semantics when it is simply morals.
Point Norack is trying to make is that this is an honest mistake, it is the moral choice for the person who happened to encounter it to return the money. That is all this is. You can spin it whatever way you want, but it is still the same moral decision.
Either way it sucks that the guy you happen to run into has no moral standing.

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THIS. Moral Standing! It is as if the trolls in this thread have never heard of morals, honor, or integrity- Nick Zealot included. Thank You Lackofwords. You are truly a kind and compassionate fellow player.

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Originally Posted by Alegis

Not to forget, that it seems like he asked for even more money than he did offer for the repair.

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For the love of god, he was 315K CLOSE and you are going to make him out as the bad guy when this Nick Zealot is going around bragging to his LS about making 10mil from a single repair when it actuality it was 13.7mil. Who is the bigger liar? Nick Zealot who undervalues his gain by 3.7mil or the OP who overvalues his loss by 315K?

The decision is clear as crystal! Nick Zealot is taking advantage of another player’s misfortune! And attempting to publicly humiliate him at the same time by having him apologize in /sh in return for 11 of the 13.7mil gil!! You are pathetic Nick Zealot! On top of that you are greedy, unkind, uncaring, and uncompassionate. Furthermore you attempt to turn all of this against the victim, after you take all his money from him, by bragging to your LS! The fact that you did not reply directly to OP after repair and instead /braggadocio to your LS shows that you have NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY, and NO MORAL STANDARDS. You people make me sick!

As for OP: I am profoundly sorry for your loss and the treatment to which you have been subject by these ingrate players. They represent a stain and a shame on the Final Fantasy community. If I were Nick, I would have /tell you before repairing because this is clearly an honest mistake. The fact that this player ent through with repair shows that his intentions were to keep your money from the beginning. All I can do is defend you and hope for the resolution of this event.

On a side note, on a few occasions you use the word “resolute” where you ought to be using “resolve”. Take care, and good luck.

Matsume, he lost his money and then was being a dick when trying to get it back. Hobbes is not so innocent at all.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Why do you people even reply if you are uncapable of reading the entirety of his post. He did not get 11 mil back. He did not get 1 gil back for that matter. You are a heartless and uncompassionate creature. Go crawl back under whichever rock you came from.

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I didn't know telling people the truth made them heartless and uncompassionate.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

The decision is clear as crystal! Nick Zealot is taking advantage of another player’s misfortune! And attempting to publicly humiliate him at the same time by having him apologize in /sh in return for 11 of the 13.7mil gil!! You are pathetic Nick Zealot! On top of that you are greedy, unkind, uncaring, and uncompassionate. Furthermore you attempt to turn all of this against the victim, after you take all his money from him, by bragging to your LS! The fact that you did not reply directly to OP after repair and instead /braggadocio to your LS shows that you have NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY, and NO MORAL STANDARDS. You people make me sick!

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That fact that the guy who did the repair is a total dick (yes, he is) is not the issue. The OP want's SE to get his money back from the guy, which they can't do because Nick didn't violate the ToS. Yes, it isn't fair, but life isn't fair. I am sorry for your loss OP, but nothing can be done.

Also Matsume, I find it interesting how you were against people being called out on the forums in another thread, but you have no problem with this thread, which is calling out Nick Zealot as a thief.

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Originally Posted by Norack

what about my awesomess family guy one?

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Family Guy is a fictional show, you need to provide a case in real life for it to be valid. Saying that this should be held as fact is like saying that someone can buy a space shuttle and fly it into space from their front yard and come back to earth with no problems (remember that episode? :D)

in msot games a gm would help you. i know people who worked as GM's in WOW and they said they remedy these situations all the time.

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Originally Posted by LAN

Morals, I'd like to see what your moral standing is when you've been entitled as a thief for a legal repair.

Op you made a bad mistake by offering Gil to repair, and you are making a worse mistake to trying to get it back by calling ppl thief.

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Anyone offering 13 mil for a repair obviously made a mistake. Anyone who would take advantage of it deserves to be called a thief.

Beyond that though, nothing was legally done wrong. I don't think SE themselves can help you (I hope they do). However, if you have friends on your server, they can blacklist this person and refuse to do business with him. It's really all you can do. :(

I'm sorry to hear about this.

the moment he said that he would give u 11mil u should have said yes ok and sorry for my mistake