DRK Buff/Rework - Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Crave and Spit having a bloody cost is not what we need and is just as crazy as suggesting Dark Arts TBN.
No one is going to blow 4,800 MP on damage or a party shield, its just not cost effective.

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Reread the Carve and Spit change. It deals the current Dark Arts damage with the cost built in to prevent double weaving.

The DA version awards 50 Blackblood, so essentially you're exchanging a DA for a Blood Gauge skill.

This actually keeps my Delirium changes in check by forcing it to be used with either half a Blood gauge or a full Blood gauge with half MP.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

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the thing is dark mind +TBN cover the same amount of mitigationt if no more (idk the actual numbers) without losing dps, at the contrary DA dark mind is a dps loss for a 15% extra and if you want to add TBN on it means you have to fit 3 cds in a tb cast with a insane cost of 4800 of mp if you have it.

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Originally Posted by shao32

the thing is dark mind +TBN cover the same amount of mitigationt if no more (idk the actual numbers) without losing dps, at the contrary DA dark mind is a dps loss for a 15% extra and if you want to add TBN on it means you have to fit 3 cds in a tb cast with a insane cost of 4800 of mp if you have it.

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Perhaps I'm not being clear. I mean make the base duration 30 sec regardless of DA or no DA. Unless we are compromising on potency in light of a longer duration, it's the exact same effect - just a longer duration (that's bad?). If the cooldown is longer by 30 sec (60 vs 90) then it does effect things compared to higher DM+TBN frequency, but it'd technically be double the uptime as current DM, and on a magic specific boss it'd be a hell of a nice fluff damage CD (compared to mainly using solo for TBs).

Let's just look at some example math

AA incoming 9.5k each for 30 sec
(10 autos?)

95000 incoming damage
-15% (8075 per hit) 80,750 -- 14,250 mitigated
-30% (6650 per hit) 66,500 -- 28,500 mitigated

I don't think I need to math out an obviously inferior 10 sec DM.. Additionally, if you used it during a window where there is already a magic TB occurring, you could likely get away with not even using TBN the same way a War might only use Vengeance. So, it'd likely end up being a DPS increase since you might not necessarily have to use TBN as much

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

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is still a waste, DRK have enough magic mitigation without buffing with DA, sure extend the duration will be nice but dont solve the problem that extra 15% is not worthy the dps you loose on it.

to work perfectly dark mind have to have a flat 30% magic mitigation without dark arts or somehow recover the potency lost for use it and a 15% phisical mitigation to solve DRK phisical mitigation problems regarless how much duration you want to add it.

technically DRK have souleater selfheal to dealt with fluff damage with is really nice, but the lower value of grit like shield make us dont have that resource bcs reasons.

we are the lowest in dps, sacrifice even more dps on mitigation how we dont really need it cant be a thing, for fluff damage they need to fix the damm tank stances once for all.

I guess if you're only focus is DPS then cost/benefit doesn't apply very well because it will always be a negative. Setting aside the possibility that even if DRK had the highest DPS right now, it'd probably be frustrating a lot of healers because they'd still have the weakest mitigation kit and worst utility.

Just my opinion, but Dark Arts is an avenue for SE to explore that self-buffing style of tank. It's a neat and unique concept, being able to buff your attacks or buff your defense at the cost of a particular resource. I am not in disagreement with your sentiment about recovering the potential damage potency loss, at minimum it should be a balanced cost (I think cost favoring defense would be more in-line with SE's intentions)* but there has to be some cost/benefit applied for the style to remain interesting. The "I only want to buff my attacks" shtick is already taken by samurai, and how's that working out for them? Lol.

* - by favoring defense I mean allowing it to buff by a borderline absurd amount compared to offensive buff effect to give an actual incentive to use defense over offense. I'm not implying a offensive nerf, more like make the defensive buffs OP af.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I guess if you're only focus is DPS then cost/benefit doesn't apply very well because it will always be a negative.

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This is ultimately the problem with any sort of change to a Tank's kit. Any sort of improved utility or defensive capability is, in the general idea of balancing, required to take a hit on damage dealt, but that's anathema to the current way the game "Plays". Having nothing but hard enrage fights ensures endurance strategies are never an option.

Speaking as a sub-optimal tank though, I'll take a 5% DPS hit for a 10-15% mitigation gain.

Holy shit most of these ideas are really, REALLY good. I didn't do the math so some stuff might be too op, but your ideas are really great. Especially Dark passenger as a dot and dark mind and sole survivor as some kind of utility are amazing ideas dude good job. This would really give dark knight back a proper identity.

Then again it's just sad that a dude on a forum has better ideas for a class than the developers...