The Storm's Eye nerf and loss of Berserk are the major problems

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

War DPS was too high compared to the other tanks, they have now been brought in line, it's as simple as that.

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No it wasn't. Tank damage is currently extremely close among the 3 jobs. The only difference is Warrior damage is more unstable, given that you can get lucky and land 4 Direct Critical Hits, which will put you almost as high (if not sometimes higher) than the damage some of the DPS is doing. OR you can not hit ANY critical hits OR direct hits, and end up doing garbage damage compared to what the other tank (Paladin OR Dark Knight) managed to do. But on average, your damage will even out to just a LITTLE bit higher than the other two tanks. This amount is so insignificantly small, it's not even worth fussing about. Especially when you take the instability I mentioned into account.

As for the thread, with the changes next week, it still remains to be seen if Warrior damage will go up or down. We can theory-craft all we want, but personally I think it's pointless until we actually see it in action. Keep in mind you're getting one extra Fell Cleave and FOUR of them (not to mention your Upheaval) will be guaranteed to deal the highest damage they can possibly do. That could possibly account for the lost auto-attack damage due to the Storm's Eye buff. One thing is for sure, though - no more will Warriors rely on extremely lucky runs to get 99 percentile parses. lol

BTW, something I don't think anyone's mentioning - Warriors are gonna be beast-mode in dungeons now. SEVEN STEEL CYCLONES LMAO monsters are gonna get utterly destroyed. I kinda feel it's a little too good to be true and because of that they're probably gonna end up nerfing more than just the healing on Steel Cyclone.

Sat down. Plotted out every single GCD and OGCD in a in both current and 4.2 war for an entire cycle (90 sec for 4.2, 120 for current). Accounted for AAs. Accounted for enhanced infuriate. Zerk/IR buffs. 10% and 20% maims. Old potency vs new potency.

Ill probably write up a detailed post tomorrow to explain the process cuz screw that at 5am.

TLDR:

4.1 Current war Pot/GCD rotation
519.58 potency per GCD

4.2 war doing the same process
536.46 per gcd.

Net buff of 3.2%.

There are very minor factors I did not account for. For starters:
*My 4.2 rotation is not quite optimized. I ended up stuck on a heavy swing before the next IR window which breaks the combo. Also got stuck with an awkward amount of gauge so had to use 1 onslaught and still had a leftover 10 gauge. Playing with the SS amount and such will improve it. It can only go up from here.
*The 4.1 zerk/IR windows dont have crit included as I just measured pot/time, but thats a fairly simple addition i might do after some sleep, but its not going to buff an entire 2 min rotation by some ridiculous amount like 10% to upend the results.

Its a fudging buff. A small one. Just like SE said it was.

I could be a smidge off here or there, but were still in the realm of side grade territory even if I fudged something up a little. Comfortably out of sky is falling land. Sleep then double check stuff.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

math

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Would you mind sharing a document of your calculations? Not asking this because I doubt you but just because I'm interested.

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Originally Posted by Skos

Would you mind sharing a document of your calculations? Not asking this because I doubt you but just because I'm interested.

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Its not exactly pretty, but ill definitely post more info on my stuff sat or sunday depending on time. I dont expect the whole of the internet to just believe some 'final' numbers in a forum post without some showing some of my work.

The problem with calculating damage increases is that you have to consider so much RNG that it becomes practically pointless. Are you going to compare average Warrior damage? Or highest possible damage? Because depending with what you go, you're either going to end up with a buff or a nerf.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Its not exactly pretty, but ill definitely post more info on my stuff sat or sunday depending on time. I dont expect the whole of the internet to just believe some 'final' numbers in a forum post without some showing some of my work.

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I await that as well. I'd be happy if what you say is true, but I don't buy it simply on the basis of the AA nerf. Best case scenario we're only losing ~10% of our AA damage, but that's still ~2-3% of our overall damage, not to mention a net overall damage loss due to the reduction from SE. While it's possible that the sheer number of increased Fell Cleaves could make that up, I'm still skeptical.

Dude DRK also used to be a VERY rewarding and satisfying job to play in HW, but already was made brain-dead months ago in 4.0. WAR just got hit later than DRK .-.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

TLDR:

4.1 Current war Pot/GCD rotation
519.58 potency per GCD

4.2 war doing the same process
536.46 per gcd.

Net buff of 3.2%.

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That's similar to what Emiin on the Balance discord said as well

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Current results, still under development

3.2% buff at 2.35 GCD, if you can get 5th GCD Inner Release.
8% nerf if you fail.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

That's similar to what Emiin on the Balance discord said as well

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I keep hearing about the the various theorycraft discords but always say some other time. Maybe i should look into those. But either way nice to have some independent corroboration so i know i didnt royally screw something up.

Im getting the 5th GCD with a 2.4 GCD at 60 ping.