Rezzing

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Originally Posted by Alisi

Why is it that so many of my co-healers simply ignore the dead in the party? Lately, I'm finding a good 70 ~ 80% of my co-healers simply do not rez anyone -- or only the co-healer or tanks. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

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Generally I raise people when I feel it's safe to do so.

To contradict your argument I'm going to ask why do so many healers raise people the instant they go down?
Knowing that 4 times out of 5 that dead person is going to accept that raise straight away and then instantly die again to the next mechanic...

Even my co healers won't get raised straight away many times in hw content my co healer would go down and might stay down for upto a minute simply because getting them up is low on my list of priorities at that particular moment.

Not sure how accurate it is now in 4.0. As my highest healer is currently 66. But in 3.0 it often depended on the healers jobs. If your party had a scholar and whm for example then generally the scholar did the raising because they're mp was virtually infinite and a whms mp was a lot more limited. Whms tossing out raises would run out of mp very quickly. Scholars could raise several times and not even dent there mp pools

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Originally Posted by Alisi

When did leaving your healing buddy to rez everyone become a thing?

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I can't really try to justify this, or to find one single fitting explanation as I don't know the full circumstances - could be anything, really.

It COULD be SC, though. If they're mostly DPSing then it's likely that, as people before my post said, that they weren't sitting on SC (instead using it for DPS, shielding etc.), and the fight is reasonably easy that you can get away with waiting some 20 secs for SC to be back up rather than bothering to hard cast. Done this myself, to be honest :P If, in the mean time, your MH rezzed the downed person, well - nice bonus, time to go back to DPSing!

If that was the case though and they had it on CD - then xNewbx's macro suggestion is actually really cool, if nothing else then at least to let your team what's up with you not rezzing people (in fact thanks, I'm now stealing this macro for my own use :D )

@Dzian - yeah, good one, that's also a thing. Rezzing people right before mechanics/heavy inc damage is more risky than it's worth. As for the "infinite MP for SCHs" part, though, the only thing I've got to ask is if you've ever healed a messy 24 man, because no MP pool is infinite in those :P

Yup I've had this happen to me a lot the past few days in the omega savage duties, both WHMs and SCHs just not rezzing (I play AST). I even had one run where I rezzed every single death myself and low and behold I was still able to somehow manage my mana and DPS while the other healer was sitting on 25%~

Wtf is going on? It's not even as if im beating them to it every time. If I was the last healer to rez I will give a grace period to the other healer before I attempt to do it myself, but nope they're just standing their in a mid cast broil or stone...

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Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie

Is there a reason for RDM or SMN (the latter with swiftcast off cd) not to raise? Genuine question..

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Your answer is, kinda. I can only speak as a SMN as I don't have RDM lvld yet. Now that our pets die easily and we can't heal them some of us save our swiftcast for recasting our egis. Also we are there to DPS not cover for healers who think it's everyone's job but their own to heal/raise like the second poster in this thread. If my swiftcast is up and my pet isn't dying, I'll raise people to save the healers the mp. Since I'm also a WHM I have swiftcast raise macro'd anyway and it's easy enough to pop the SMN raise into the macro. Not all SMNs have this, and I'm sure some are distracted by it because it messes up their rotation. No one's perfect.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

To contradict your argument I'm going to ask why do so many healers raise people the instant they go down?
Knowing that 4 times out of 5 that dead person is going to accept that raise straight away and then instantly die again to the next mechanic...

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I don't mean that I expect instant rez or that I expect my co-healers to rez when the mechanics of the fight don't allow it. Hell, for that matter, I give new healers a pass if it's their first time healing a fight. I don't expect my co-healer to have MP to rez if that healer has none. I don't expect SC to magically come off CD at my whim.

None of those. I'm talking about the people don't don't rez anyone. Regardless of the situation. They sit on nearly full MP and just DPS while two of the people are dead. I mean, if two or more people are dead, WTF is my co-healer doing DPSing? A healer doing DPS is all good and well, but it's not going to match a DPS's DPS. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Fealow

Wtf is going on?

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Thank you. It feels so crazy to even say this aloud. I held back a bit because I figured I must be the crazy one but I started to actually watch for this and have been finding it happening more and more frequently.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Also we are there to DPS not cover for healers who think it's everyone's job but their own to heal/raise like the second poster in this thread.

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I don't think the colour of your job icon has much to do with it. It's about the best tool for the job. If a RDM popping an instant raise costs the party less dps than a healer hardcasting then the RDM should do it.

What I'm not sure about is the mp pool of SMN/RDM because I haven't played them at 70. If raising will cause these jobs to run out of mp that is obviously a huge dps loss. So my question really was "what is the opportunity cost of a SMN/RDM raising"? Is it just one GCD or does the mp factor in too?

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Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie

So my question really was "what is the opportunity cost of a SMN/RDM raising"? Is it just one GCD or does the mp factor in too?

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SMN at least has no MP issues whatsoever, and can easily save swiftcast for raise since it's not needed in their rotation anymore.

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Originally Posted by Taika

SMN at least has no MP issues whatsoever, and can easily save swiftcast for raise since it's not needed in their rotation anymore.

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Yes and no. SMNs can push more DPS by dumping mana(Ruin 3 out of DWT), which is also why Lucid is a great cross skill for them. But knowing when to stop and conserve is a big deal, especially when they are expected to rez.