Rezzing

[Alisi]

Why is it that so many of my co-healers simply ignore the dead in the party? Lately, I'm finding a good 70 ~ 80% of my co-healers simply do not rez anyone -- or only the co-healer or tanks. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

I've been noticing this a lot more lately. I healed half a dozen Lakshmi Ex, as well as multiple runs of Omega on the various bosses (bad RNG), with different healers each time. And none of them rezzed anyone. I'm seeing things like Lakshmi Ex enrage because I can't rez people fast enough. I'm a healer main. I understand the issues surrounding rezzing and mana and hard casting. Even when I know a co-healer has SC, and I know it must be off CD (because I saw the healer use it more than a minute ago), they still don't rez.

Now, I know that one dead DPS isn't going to push the bosses to enrage. There's other issues at hand, but it isn't being helped by a healer who refuses to rez people. I just see them, sitting on nearly full MP (while I'm nearly OOM) and they're just happily DPSing away. No damage is coming in. They have time to hard cast rez, if their SC is on CD or they didn't take it. But they don't.

Why? Am I just encountering a ton of DPS mains in their off classes?

[technole]

You have to remember you don't always have to sit on swiftcast just for raise purposes.


For normal content, I proactively use swiftcast for things like Medica II for easier movement or mechanics, and it also keeps damage up. The risk if someone dies and other healer not having chance to handle the situation is low. If someone dies in the time span I make a judgement call if we'll be fine until it's back up, or not safe to hard rez until certain mechanics pass, etc. Also. if there is a RDM/SMN in the party I like to make them handle that stuff at that point. Most of the time I let the other healer handle it because they don't seem to do anything but heal (sad). Since there is no more excuses for a healer not having swiftcast in Stormblood, you can tell if they are just sitting on the skill or not.

Savage/Extreme primal/traps: I'll just raise whenever I can. Depending on the clear/farm group might not be aggressive with proactive-swiftcast because of certain troublemakers. But if group isn't so bad, i'll do the above and not sit on Swiftcast.

[Taika]

You have to remember you don't always have to sit on swiftcast just for raise purposes.

Yup, it's likely they're waiting for SC to come up or alternatively, waiting for a RDM or SMN to raise (SMN at least has no use for SC in rotation anymore so it can be reserved for raises, also no MP issues).

Also, if you're wiping in that situation, it's not because you can't raise fast enough, it's because that many people are messing up and dying in the first place. Don't blame yourself or your cohealer for that.

[Spiroglyph]

I can think of a couple of (possible) reasons

-Their swiftcast is on cooldown
-They are low on MP
-The dead person or persons die so much they're a waste of MP anyway
-There are RDM/SMNs in the party and they think it's their duty to help out with rezzes
-You're occupying the "off healer" slot so the task of getting people back up should be handled by YOU
-You're occupying the "main healer" slot so the task of rezzing should be left up to YOU, so they can dedicate all their time and attention to do one button DPS

Those are all things I have encountered at one point or another - althout they're really not frequent enough to be bothersome (the swiftcast on CD is the one I encounter most frequently and it happens to me too, so.).

It's one of THOSE things you might see at some point that are midly annoying - among tanks fighting for aggro, people sitting in aoes for no apparent reason, pets on sic etc. Can happen anytime, has ALWAYS happened and probably won't ever stop occurring.

[Fortune_Cookie]

-There are RDM/SMNs in the party and they think it's their duty to help out with rezzes

Is there a reason for RDM or SMN (the latter with swiftcast off cd) not to raise? Genuine question.

I'd guess that a hardcasted healer raise plus the mp cost on an mp constrained party member costs more dps in the long run than a single Veraero/thunder (and it increases the risk for the party).

[Spiroglyph]

Is there a reason for RDM or SMN (the latter with swiftcast off cd) not to raise? Genuine question.

:^) Wrote the longest damn response I could think of for this only to have my internet crap on me harder then a pigeon with the runs. So.

In any of the following cases:
-24 mans with people dropping like flies
-My MP is depleted
-Swiftcast is on cooldown
-Crapton of people dead in a team
-Solo healing
-Mana shift on CD and any of the above happen

Then yes, I will be thankful and even expectant of SMN/RDM rez.
In most other circumstances, though - well I will still be thankful, but I would honestly prefer their MP to be directed toward firing at stuff.

[Zarabeth]

Is there a reason for RDM or SMN (the latter with swiftcast off cd) not to raise? Genuine question..

Your answer is, kinda. I can only speak as a SMN as I don't have RDM lvld yet. Now that our pets die easily and we can't heal them some of us save our swiftcast for recasting our egis. Also we are there to DPS not cover for healers who think it's everyone's job but their own to heal/raise like the second poster in this thread. If my swiftcast is up and my pet isn't dying, I'll raise people to save the healers the mp. Since I'm also a WHM I have swiftcast raise macro'd anyway and it's easy enough to pop the SMN raise into the macro. Not all SMNs have this, and I'm sure some are distracted by it because it messes up their rotation. No one's perfect.

[Fortune_Cookie]

Also we are there to DPS not cover for healers who think it's everyone's job but their own to heal/raise like the second poster in this thread.

I don't think the colour of your job icon has much to do with it. It's about the best tool for the job. If a RDM popping an instant raise costs the party less dps than a healer hardcasting then the RDM should do it.

What I'm not sure about is the mp pool of SMN/RDM because I haven't played them at 70. If raising will cause these jobs to run out of mp that is obviously a huge dps loss. So my question really was "what is the opportunity cost of a SMN/RDM raising"? Is it just one GCD or does the mp factor in too?

[Taika]

So my question really was "what is the opportunity cost of a SMN/RDM raising"? Is it just one GCD or does the mp factor in too?

SMN at least has no MP issues whatsoever, and can easily save swiftcast for raise since it's not needed in their rotation anymore.

[Alisi]

It's one of THOSE things you might see at some point that are midly annoying - among tanks fighting for aggro, people sitting in aoes for no apparent reason, pets on sic etc. Can happen anytime, has ALWAYS happened and probably won't ever stop occurring.

Well yes. But it's happening in very damn raid group I get into. As I said, the co-healers all had full MP, no RDM/SMNs were in half the parties I was in, and if you can't find a time to hard cast rez in Lakshmi Ex, then you're a terrible healer.

That's the thing. It was just a mild annoyance. I'd get into a party with a healer like this once in a while. But lately it's been every, goddamn party for the past month. In the (around) 15 different groups I was in last night with different co-healers each time, ZERO rezzed anyone besides me and there were deaths (sometimes multiple deaths) in each group. It stops being mildly annoying when every co-healer you get refuses to rez anyone and become down right frustrating. You see that person with FULL MP, just DPSing away, without a care in the world, and there are dead people in the party. As I said, you can guess this person has SC up. Nothing that has happened thus far has warranted the use of it. And, even if it is down, there is no in coming damage and your co-healer can handle the tanks should the auto attacks crit.

When did leaving your healing buddy to rez everyone become a thing?