LOLSE, We're not wearing 270 STR to hold hate, c'mon now...

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Originally Posted by Baci

And here I have lost my last bit of hope that SE would be able to balance tanks. Its just wow they're so absolutely clueless on what is going on in their game

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Man, I feel hopeless. I just want to play the game. I thought SB was going to be about tank balance. This should have all been worked out ages ago.

So stupid. We either add strength or go back to vit.

Or just, play tanks to be tanks, and not have huge amounts of DPS?

Reminds me of that time when Yoshida said i275 Anima relic is stronger than i280 Diadem weapon.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Or just, play tanks to be tanks, and not have huge amounts of DPS?

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There's nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting to do a decent amount of damage as a tank. I don't think anyone here is asking to do as much or more damage than a DPS. (awful DPS notwithstanding, of course)

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Originally Posted by Poison_Rose

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting to do a decent amount of damage as a tank. I don't think anyone here is asking to do as much or more damage than a DPS. (awful DPS notwithstanding, of course)

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All we ever hear is "I'm not doing good DPS anymore" that is why str accessories are a thing. Not because of emnity (thread title, not what I'm saying), because of dps. the only valid complaints currently are the lack of fluidity for DRK and WAR, DPS should NEVER be a valid point of concern for a tank class, unless it gets in the way of completion of solo duties.

And 90% of the complainers are WAR's, wonder why. (Not specifically calling you out, I have friends in game who play WAR bitching their DPS sucked)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

All we ever hear is "I'm not doing good DPS anymore" that is why str accessories are a thing. Not because of emnity (thread title, not what I'm saying), because of dps. the only valid complaints currently are the lack of fluidity for DRK and WAR, DPS should NEVER be a valid point of concern for a tank class, unless it gets in the way of completion of solo duties.

And 90% of the complainers are WAR's, wonder why. (Not specifically calling you out, I have friends in game who play WAR bitching their DPS sucked)

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WAR players bitching about their DPS because they only deal damage lower to equal than other tank job when their burst rotation are more complicated to do than the other 2 and not to mention they have no utility

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Or just, play tanks to be tanks, and not have huge amounts of DPS?

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So what is my greataxe/greatsword/longsword for?

Implying I wasn't playing a tank to be a tank before. These top tier groups must've never known the secret power of 'tank' stance.

Maybe instead of advertising DRK/PLD/WAR as badass frontliners, they should just redesign them as leashed dogs with a robin costume because that's what the general community seems to believe what they should be.

You know something is wrong when the only reason most people can come up with to play tanks is 'fast queues'. Speaks volumes of the design of tanks in this game when their only merit is a result of their severe unpopularity.

This response is disheartening, but at least it's something, I guess.

Honestly, SE seems to be all over the place on this issue; I'm not at all convinced that they understand the problem.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

All we ever hear is "I'm not doing good DPS anymore" that is why str accessories are a thing. Not because of emnity (thread title, not what I'm saying), because of dps. the only valid complaints currently are the lack of fluidity for DRK and WAR, DPS should NEVER be a valid point of concern for a tank class, unless it gets in the way of completion of solo duties.

And 90% of the complainers are WAR's, wonder why. (Not specifically calling you out, I have friends in game who play WAR bitching their DPS sucked)

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Based on what I'm seeing your opinion seems to be decidedly in the minority.

I'll take a different tack from the others, though - how do you define a "valid" point of concern? (Not trying to be pedantic, I am genuinely curious)