PS4 Pro users: do you feel lied to?

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Originally Posted by Driavna

xD like you can't notice a jump from 60 to 30 or something like that, yep... XD

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If you don't think that's gonna be the case in a MMORPG, then you don't know MMORPGs. Point is that the frame rate mode most probably makes the frame rate MORE stable, which is something you need tools to assess.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

We were told in the Live Letter that, with the release of SB, we would receive a Pro Patch that would let us achieve stable 60fps even in areas "with a lot of people". If you've played today on the new standard "increased FPS" mode, you'll see that nothing has changed. What are your thoughts on this?

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um yeah they also didn't account for a million people jumping on at the same time either.

Under normal circumstances you'll get 60

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Originally Posted by Abriael

If you don't think that's gonna be the case in a MMORPG, then you don't know MMORPGs. Point is that the frame rate mode most probably makes the frame rate MORE stable, which is something you need tools to assess.

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The power difference between PS4 and PS4 Pro is substantial. The frame-rate difference would most definitely be noticeable to the naked eye without an FPS counter, just like it's noticeable to me when I play on my girlfriend's weaker Mac computer rather than my gaming PC.

Now if the OP was claiming that it's 53 FPS instead of 60 FPS, I'd agree - a tool is needed. They aren't. They're claiming there's no noticeable difference. If we take the OP at their word on that, then there's absolutely something wrong with the patch.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

If you don't think that's gonna be the case in a MMORPG, then you don't know MMORPGs. Point is that the frame rate mode most probably makes the frame rate MORE stable, which is something you need tools to assess.

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Yeah, because MMORPG have a special type of frame rate... xD

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

The power difference between PS4 and PS4 Pro is substantial. The frame-rate difference would most definitely be noticeable to the naked eye without an FPS counter, just like it's noticeable to me when I play on my girlfriend's weaker Mac computer rather than my gaming PC.

Now if the OP was claiming that it's 53 FPS instead of 60 FPS, I'd agree - a tool is needed. They aren't. They're claiming there's no noticeable difference. If we take the OP at their word on that, then there's absolutely something wrong with the patch.

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That is not the point. The point is that you need tools AND comparing the same situation. I'm quite sure he's not digital foundry, and I'm quite sure the situation at launch of a major expansion is not the same as 10 minutes beofore.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Yeah, because MMORPG have a special type of frame rate... xD

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I guess the "you don't know how MMOs work" is the case here. MMOs have a much less predictable number of models on screen, which leads to much less predictable frame rate.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I guess the "you don't know how MMOs work" is the case here. MMOs have a much less predictable number of models on screen, which leads to much less predictable frame rate.

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Again, you don't need a tool to notice a big frame drop, nothing to do with MMO's. If I have to guess it's pretty simple, PS4 Pro can't handle overcrowded areas. But for sure all instanced content will run at 60 FPS.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Again, you don't need a tool to notice a big frame drop, nothing to do with. If I have to guess it's pretty simple, PS4 Pro can't handle overcrowded areas. But for sure all instanced content will run at 60 FPS.

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Which is entirely predictable, and anyone that thought the contrary, had no idea of how MMORPGs work.

The point is that, while SE did not promise a locked 60fps, they did say stable 60fps even in areas with a ton of people.

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Originally Posted by Demetri_Delethorn

The point is that, while SE did not promise a locked 60fps, they did say stable 60fps even in areas with a ton of people.

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First of all, they did not promise. Yoshida-san said "should be able to." It's a conditional, two months before a patch's release. If you interpret that as a promise or as an absolute statement, the joke is on you.

Secondly, the point is that if you expect stable 60 FPS in the most crowded areas on a console with the specs of the PS4 Pro, your expectations were obviously out of whack, whatever Yoshida said.

If i cant get 60 fps in hugely crowded areas with an overclocked i7 and a gtx980ti, what makes you think the ps4 pro can with a tablet processor?