A good point. I can't agree with a Stance because you'd still have subpar tanking/healing due to a lack of the appropriate skillset. 5 tanking or healing spells/skills wouldn't be enough to effectively tank I imagine. You'd also not have access to the necessary cross-class/job skills that'll be coming up.Quote:
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03-09-2017, 05:30 AMVexander
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03-09-2017, 05:35 AMShougun
I think at the point that it becomes fair it would be easier to just design a new job, easier for SE I mean (all the abilities and scaling, stat allotment, what items they needed, etc) - for players being able to not do anything but have an entirely different type of job would be big boon.. to the specific befitting player at least (assuming SE could balance it lol). I think it'll be better if we just related the job via story and perhaps requirements, to unlock Shogun have a level 60 Samurai.
Talking about weird scenarios with stats though, I think it may be interesting to see a job here and there (not common) that uses stats that would be considered unusual. For example:
Necromancer support healer using INT (BLM/SMN gear) instead of MND
Aether/Gravity/Bloodmancer, some sort of Golbez like influence mage using VIT/STR (tank gear)
Geomancer tank using MND/INT (mage gear).
Dancer healer using monk like gear.
Just random examples, don't be concerned if you feel Necromancer isn't a healer or Geomancer a tank or whatever lol - was just picking weird variations outside the norm. Obviously the job would need to consider side stats, like a DD using tank gear you might not give them any defensive abilities or give them a lot of self weakening abilities that empower themselves to balance out the naturally high gifts from being able to use tank gear (must be mindful of the theme a gear set gives, but shouldn't be impossible to design with).
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03-09-2017, 05:39 AMDerio
No thanks. I want a real Samurai tank
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03-09-2017, 05:39 AMStitches1974What about making DPS out of hybrids? Traditionally that's what a RDM started off as in the FF series. Jack of all trades and master of none. Now, they're strictly DPS. After they announced it at fanfest or whatever it was, it was touted as a melee/ caster hybrid, I was pretty stoked about playing that job. Now that it's out that they're only ranged DPS, some of that excitement has left, but still leaves me wanting to play that job. What are your thoughts about that?Quote:
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03-09-2017, 05:41 AMRirita
Yoshida commented on something similar (notice how his reply can answer your question, but not the interviewer's qustion):
https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...tions-requests
On the "good" side, never I thought I'd live to see a white mage being more versatile than a red mage. Experiences that only FFXIV can offer.Quote:
Customizing characters besides just appearance?
We got several posts from players who wanted to be able to customize not only their character's appearance but also their skills and equipment for a particular job so that they could show some more individuality. This is a topic we've seen come up since the initial release of A Realm Reborn.
Yoshida: Right. So, if we did something like add mode A and mode B for dragoon, eventually people on the internet would examine them and choose which one was stronger. Then, when we created new content, the content would have to be based on whatever was strongest. There would be a lot of discussion about the job states like "that job is too strong" or "that job is too weak" and people would always choose what they felt was best. That's not to say a skill system like that would be negative, but the armoury system itself already allows you to play all of the different jobs. Since we already have that system in place, I'm not expecting that we'll make branches for jobs for the time being.
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03-09-2017, 05:44 AMMalzianNecromancer: Won't happen for lore reasons. Basically, raising the dead is blasphemy and unholy. Practitioners are seen as evil and are either executed or jailed. That comes from Koji directly in an old Live Letter (that I'm not even going to attempt to dig up, it's that old).Quote:
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Aether/Bloodmancer: Aether itself is horribly unstable and unpredictable and directly channeling it is detrimental being ultimately lethal to the user. This is why Matoya chastises Y'stola for using it to see since it will slowly kill her. I think Blood magic falls under the same category as Necromancy.
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03-09-2017, 05:46 AMZojhaHeh, that interview still cracks me up.Quote:
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03-09-2017, 05:50 AMShougunWere you just entertaining the lore ideas for the fun?Quote:
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I mean it's cool if you were doing it just for fun, but if you thought I was making "legitimate, thought out examples" it was more like me whipping up random things that break the normal "mage gets the mage gear, healer gets the healer gear, ranged players get the light cloth" without utterly destroying job image. RDM image is not one in full ironworks of fending for example, they have an image and I do like SE maintaining job image as best as they can - which is why suggesting a job that is abnormal makes more sense to me. Also I like Golbez so something that gives a throw back to him would be cool :3 (but he's sort of a BLM so somethings have to change, if they did attempt it).
Although I think even if it is a horrible idea I still like costly magic ideas in games, Lore: "doing this is bad for you but is powerful" me: ". . . . . LET'S DO IT!!!!". lol. Like FFXI's Bluemage. So while yes lore says messing with something is dangerous, I don't think that makes it illegal - makes it more interesting ;D.
The whole Necromancer thing could be problematic though, even an inkling that you bring back the dead yeah.. makes sense as a lore issue (although I think people also hate Dark Knights if they knew more about them). The living dead ability is pretty close to necromancer right?
Fixing way too much on the "random" examples mate. It was not "make a necromancer" it was just attempting to make examples of situations outside the norm - and just because one job interpretation was bad does not make them all bad, that's a bit silly. However the lore that everyone wants to murder you if you were a necromancer is a bit significant lol.Quote:
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03-09-2017, 05:53 AMJonnycbad
Necromancer is dumb and un-FF (even though we got it in FFV advance, it was just a BLU that used Dark Magic). Even still, it would just be another pet job with some kind of Ghost or Zombie egi. Boring.
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03-09-2017, 06:01 AMMiitan
A Job with versatility? Heavens forbid!
We can't stray from the holy trinity of Tank/Healer/DPS, it would destroy the world as we know it!