A case of chronic gear imbalance

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

If there aren't lockouts some people will just hardcore grind them then just unsub.

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One small oversight here, since current status is "you can grind tomes all you want, you are stuck at i260".

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Both raider and casual players only need to do expert roulette for 12-15 mins a day for only 5 days a week.

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With the caveat that a week of grinding affords you a fraction of a -10 ilevels piece , on average, instead of practically 4 pieces guaranteed/week through the raid. And I won't even discuss the weapon.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

What's the point of having higher item level ...

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Again, the point of higher item level for Savage? Did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Also balance implies competition ...

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I'm afraid balance only implies equivalence of quantities; here, time and gear item-level.
The imbalance lies in the skewed relation between the two in the two ways of acquiring gear.

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Originally Posted by Griffey

People who don't attempt creator savage don't need i270 gear [...] Ater all, ffxiv is a product, and a business that relies on people coming back to play in order for it to make money.

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3rd time I see the same mistake: Creator Savage does not need i270 gear either. Even among casual raiders all their clears were inevitably done with lesser gear.
Should it require, say, i260 (i.e. were it tuned to result in wipes with less dps/healing/vitality) that would be a valid case of keeping people coming back to p(l)ay, since everyone, including those top raiders would absolutely need to grind their upgrade to i260 for a couple of months.

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Originally Posted by Griffey

Come 3.5 everyone will be able to upgrade their shire gear with hunts and the weekly drop from the next 24-man raid, and higher ilevel weapons presumably will be available from the next primal fight.

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All of a sudden i270 will be required, I take it...

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Originally Posted by Cordie

\With the caveat that a week of grinding affords you a fraction of a -10 ilevels piece , on average, instead of practically 4 pieces guaranteed/week through the raid. And I won't even discuss the weapon.

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Except you aren't guaranteed to get 4 pieces/week even through the raid.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Again, the point of higher item level for Savage? Did I miss something?

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Like I said, to keep people who think item level is end all reason to their satisfaction in their mmo experience satisfied.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Except you aren't guaranteed to get 4 pieces/week even through the raid.

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If you optimize your runs with your raiding community/statics, you are.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Like I said, to keep people who think item level is end all reason to their satisfaction in their mmo experience satisfied.

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And for some reason this is only "justified" for savage raiders?

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Originally Posted by Cordie

If you optimize your runs with your raiding community/statics, you are.


And for some reason this is only "justified" for savage raiders?

[edit: missed a point]

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>If you optimize your runs with your raiding community/statics, you are.
Clearly you have no idea what you're spouting anymore.

>And for some reason this is only "justified" for savage raiders?
Of course not, which is why we get higher item level with every patches.
Which is why upgrade tokens from 24 man raid exists.
Which is why max ilvl relic exists.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

>If you optimize your runs with your raiding community/statics, you are.
Clearly you have no idea what you're spouting anymore.

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Oh, please.. I've seen people in full i270, 3rd week post-patch. It is perfectly possible.
That is i270, too. Not i260 as limited in current tomestone grinding.
Compare even 1 i270 item per week, with a net average of 0.89 i260 pieces per week, if it's still so unclear.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Oh, please.. I've seen people in full i270, 3rd week post-patch. It is perfectly possible.
That is i270, too. Not i260 as limited in current tomestone grinding.
Compare even 1 i270 item per week, with a net average of 0.89 i260 pieces per week, if it's still so unclear.

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Seems like you don't even have an idea how loot system in Savage works.

But by all means, keep pretending you do. I think I'm done here.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Seems like you don't even have an idea how loot system in Savage works.

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I have done it in A1S to get a piece. I trust it is the same.
Thank you for your time.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

>And for some reason this is only "justified" for savage raiders?
Of course not, which is why we get higher item level with every patches.

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What does that have to do with which players get it? In one patch, raiders get better items than grinders, and in the next patch, raiders still get better items than grinders.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Which is why max ilvl relic exists.

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Does max ilvl relic finally exist? I thought relics only went up to iLevel 260, while raid weapons went up to 275.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

I have done it in A1S to get a piece. I trust it is the same.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't "choose" what you get to drop unless you've done 4-8 weeks of clears thanks to the manifestos. Anything else is just dumb luck.
Even with twines and coats from raids, you need 8 weeks of clears to give one to each in your group from drops alone, most a full patch cycle. It's not as if upgrades are handed out to raiders like candy.

The suggestion by the dev team is basically "You don't need 270 gear to clear non-raid content, so if you do want it, try out some raids. If you still don't want to raid, gear up alt jobs while waiting for the next content patch"