Let's have the magic stones from 9

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Originally Posted by bass9020

We can't have this because people whine they have to level other classes for abilities.

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They don't have to. They can live without. The current cross discipline system needs to be scrapped. What we have now needs to be added to all jobs that need them and make room for actual cross class abilities. MCH is the biggest offender here. If CC is needed to optimize a job they should have those skills integrated into their main kit.

A Provoke skill should be on all tanks period. They shouldn't automatically be forced to Cross Class Gladiator just for Provoke.

It defeats the purpose of cross class and gives you no illusion of choice. Too restricted. Too controlled. No diversity.

Either scrap the current system or allow players to use traited CC skills if they have reached the level of the other class required for them.

If you are afraid of stepping on ants you won't be able to walk.

Do you sub-jobs similar to FF XI or something else.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I'm not sure letting people swap support abilities on the fly would go well, especially in raids.

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I didnt mean on the fly as in during battle, I meant if you are heading into a raid/dungeon and know to expect this and that, they you can swap some skills for others, but no one would be able to know or see, unless you tell them.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I didnt mean on the fly as in during battle, I meant if you are heading into a raid/dungeon and know to expect this and that, they you can swap some skills for others, but no one would be able to know or see, unless you tell them.

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But wouldn't that cause a bit of drama among the party since people are gonna demand to know what everyone has on? I mean, in dungeons, no one would give a damn what you use since dungeons are mainstream content, but in raids and savage/EX stuff, it might be a tricky issue. I think we would need better mechanics first before we think about juggling abilities for every fight.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I'm not sure letting people swap support abilities on the fly would go well, especially in raids.

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Wildstar went with a system like that, where you could constantly swap around your sets of abilities to fit your playstyle or whatever worked best for the content you were doing on top of being able to divide an extra set of points to add different passive effects and increased damage/healing to abilities you used depending on the situation. It was one of the better systems in that game. I'd constantly be tinkering with my hotkeys and had a few boss specific loadouts that allowed me to use the setup I felt worked best for me.

In one dungeon as a tank, I had a AoE/defense heavy loadout for the trash, a defensive loadout for the first boss, a more mobility focused loadout for the second boss, a secondary defensive/aoe loadout for the trash that hit harder, and a mobility/defense focused loadout for the last boss. On top of every setup also keeping in mind I needed to have some high threat moves to hold the boss and any adds that spawned I found it rather enjoyable.

Sounds like an idea I can get behind to add a bit of depth to this game (and maybe make it feel more like an RPG)
But I can see players demanding you have certain abilities and wanting you to get those before going into a raid and such because of "muh meta" same deal with why I can't see a traditional blue mage in this game working.

Either way to be honest, I'd like them to take a risk and implement this next expansion I guess. I know next to nothing about game design if it doesn't work out because of player behavior they can always patch it out can't they?

and go back to the boring same old same old

yeah, I will take auto revive, 1/2 MP cost and absorb all elements.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

yeah, I will take auto revive, 1/2 MP cost and absorb all elements.

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And the level up bonus for new expansions.