Alexander: Who thought this was a good idea??

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

If they were gonna take out lock outs, they might as well put in entire gears rather than the tokens. The concept of tokens was fine with weekly lockout, and you needed multiple tokens so multiple weeks to get one piece of gear if applicible. Removing lock out works against that philosophy and directly conflicts with the token exchange.

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Tokens are there so people will need to farm said number to exchange for sets removing the RNG factor altogether, lets say sth similar to allagan tomestones. Adding RNG layers to irrelevant gear like that atm makes it a waste of time, better spend your time in Diadem.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I don't want to sound like that person here, but how is this different from rolling loot in any other instance?

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Because everyone can roll need on everything, for normal loot you usually just comptete with players that share your main stat

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Originally Posted by DukeGr

Tokens are there so people will need to farm said number to exchange for sets removing the RNG factor altogether, lets say sth similar to allagan tomestones. Adding RNG layers to irrelevant gear like that atm makes it a waste of time, better spend your time in Diadem.

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That's fine, if they were similar to tomestones, where you don't have to roll for it. I mean imagine if they made tomestones drops in set of 200s but oyu had to roll on it with other players. That's the problem you'd see right now with how alexander is with the tokens.

The big problem, as discussed here, is that it's akin to the wild west in alex. Which sucks.
However if you can go in with fc mates, then you can farm for days. Essentially this is the fc farming patch. Too bad it's much too late in this game's life. As most people don't run stuff with the fc that often on the 8 person scale.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I don't want to sound like that person here, but how is this different from rolling loot in any other instance?

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You have need/greed protection on full pieces of gear based on the job/role you are playing so that immediately eliminates some competition. With full pieces of gear you narrow down the amount of people based on role then job to around ~1-2 based on party composition, more if you have more of the same type of DPS. If it's free for all the potential is you have to roll against 7 people every time which lowers your chance of winning.

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Originally Posted by Odds_Ends

Afro lala = instant evil......

So....I better do alex just with fc now then.

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You are never safe, my spies are everywhere.

It's clearly 100% different from all other content in the game where ANYONE can walk away with the fruits of 7 other players work; are you kidding me? Cannot believe people are defending this lol.

Or they could just take out the chests and offer everyone a complementary token for just doing it. Every single Heavensward trial and raid does this. Why Normal doesn't and the fact it has such a horrible excuse for a token system is beyond me.

I hope they don't adapt this same system in Alexander Normal 2.

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Originally Posted by GaiTsutsugami

It's clearly 100% different from all other content in the game where ANYONE can walk away with the fruits of 7 other players work; are you kidding me? Cannot believe people are defending this lol.

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I don't think anyone's actually defending it. Several people have agreed it's a pretty bad system.

Honestly, just put together a PF with loot rules or do it with friends. You'll be much happier.

I know "do it with friends" feels like a cop out, but SE hasn't really pushed us players to play together when in reality, that would fix so much frustration in this game.

I was pony farming with a horrible tank who won the only drop we saw. I was livid. I should have done it with friends.