Advice needed from my fellow BLM's regarding AS2

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Originally Posted by Sacerdos

3xF2 -> Flare -> Transpose -> T1 -> F3
3x3s + 4s + (3s) + 2.5s + 3.5s = 22s
3x~540 + ~1276 + 210 + ~200 = 3306 potency
3306/22s = 150.27 pps

2xF2 -> Flare -> Transpose -> F3
2x3s + 4s + (3s) + 3.5s = 16.5s
2x~540 + ~1276 + ~200 = 2556 potency
2556/16.5s = 154.09 pps

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I see. Thanks this is really helpful. I guess now my question is the difference in these two options isn't concrete because you may need to wait a few seconds for a tick after the transpose - wouldn't it be helpful to get used to casting T1 for long-living mobs in order to proc more thunderclouds?

EDIT: nvm I see you've accounted for the transpose wait time (3s in your calculations).

EDIT2: Since I have your helpful attention, here's another question: how many mobs would it take for 1 thundercloud proc on a non-DoT'd mob to be more potency than a Fire II? Or vice versa if a thundercloud proc is more potency by default

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

I see. Thanks this is really helpful. I guess now my question is the difference in these two options isn't concrete because you may need to wait a few seconds for a tick after the transpose - wouldn't it be helpful to get used to casting T1 for long-living mobs in order to proc more thunderclouds?

EDIT: nvm I see you've accounted for the transpose wait time (3s in your calculations).

EDIT2: Since I have your helpful attention, here's another question: how many mobs would it take for 1 thundercloud proc on a non-DoT'd mob to be more potency than a Fire II? Or vice versa if a thundercloud proc is more potency by default

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It seems like it would be worth it to roll T3Ps on multiple targets, just eyeballing those numbers, in 3 mob situations. A T3P is 710 potency if it runs its full duration.

If you can use a full duration T3P in UI consistently then it seems like the 3xF2 rotation would edge out the 2xF2 for 3 mobs. 4+ just stick with 2xF2 -> Flare.

Thanks and sorry to hijack the thread although it could be relevant to A2S :)

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

I'm not sure that's accurate. Flare at least on 3 more mobs or fewer was a dps loss without swiftcast right? Or am I mistaken?

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Back in ARR Flare was always a gain when it hit two or more. Now the treshold just moved up to three.

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Originally Posted by RajaVamberaux

EDIT: nvm I see you've accounted for the transpose wait time (3s in your calculations).

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It's possible to start casting F3 immediately after Transpose, but the timing window for Transpose after Flare is very short. Might need a little more SS to get it reliably. What can also happen is the Transpose goes off before the Flare AF3 hits in and then you're left with no mana and AF3.

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Originally Posted by Sacerdos

It seems like it would be worth it to roll T3Ps on multiple targets, just eyeballing those numbers, in 3 mob situations. A T3P is 710 potency if it runs its full duration.

If you can use a full duration T3P in UI consistently then it seems like the 3xF2 rotation would edge out the 2xF2 for 3 mobs. 4+ just stick with 2xF2 -> Flare.

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A full TC is a gain on three mobs even in AF.

216+180*6+468+421,2+374,4 = 2559,6 over 13,5 seconds = 189,6 pps
216+180*6+710+468+421,2+374,4 = 3269,6 over 16 seconds = 204,35 pps

At four mobs F2 wins out over a full TC by 10 potency, but if you could always TC during the long tick after Transpose, it should be a gain.