What Collective Unconcious could be

Either raise potencies and percents for both sects if we have to channel. Or give it a unique effect. Like hp bubble+heal like war thrill of battle and put a random card effect on all players that enter.

Because atm having to channel something equal to sacred soil in strength is a very bad down step.

Or just combine both the effects from both the sects (cure+hot+reduced damage) and just slightly lower the potency. The only time I have ever used CU is when I know incoming AoE damage is next in the boss's rotation and would normally pop it a few seconds ahead of time. Just makes sense that an ability like that would need to compensate for the lack of mobility.

I like the idea but the one for nocturnal is WAY op - like could easily cheese mechanics with it.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Nocturnal Sect:
Damage mitigation for every player in the bubble by #players inside*2.5% of damage taken and damage is equally shared by all the players inside the bubble.

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O_O Spirit link totem for astrologian would be amazing!

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Originally Posted by ckc22

I like the idea but the one for nocturnal is WAY op - like could easily cheese mechanics with it.

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Lowered potency could possibly resolve the cheese aspect of it, that and lowering the duration so you actually have to time it correctly to be of any use.

Your Noct sect idea is fabulous.

What if on top of all this you got auto-raise while inside the bubble!? WHAT!?

My take on Collective Unconscious:

Creates a wheel of fortune around the caster. Effect granted to members upon entry differs depending on active Sect. Can only be executed when a Sect is active. Effect ends upon using another action or moving. (This is all unchanged.)

Duration: 6s

Diurnal Sect Effect: Grants party members in range Diurnal Unconscious
Diurnal Unconscious: Regen. 200 Potency. 12s Duraction

Nocturnal Sect Effect: Grants party members in range Nocturnal Unconscious
Noturnal Unconscious: Damage taken is reduced by 10%. 12s Duraction

The idea is pretty straight forward. It would still be a channeled effect, but it would only need to be maintained long enough for party members to enter and receive the buff effect. At that point it can be cancelled, but the buff would remain on affected party members for its full duration. Effect duration subject to change.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

My take on Collective Unconscious...

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Interesting Diurnal Effect.
Noct Effect however is still too weak. Let me elaborate.
Consider what a SCH has to mitigate damage versus what an AST in nocturnal sect has.
SCH: adlo+deployment tactics, sacred soil (and you can move while using it), virus, possibly E4E and, in some circumstances, even fey illumination for a more powerful adlo shield and even covenant.
Noct AST: aspected helios (succor), CU (a harder to use version of sacred soil), disable (weak virus) and that's it. I'm not even going to consider expanded bole, that would be just sad and in order to have it with a reasonable probability you would have to save spread for a bole and throw away some cards, making AST role as a buffer totally useless.

Adlo+deploy alone is stronger than all of AST's skills combined and if adlo crits you won't even need all the other skills. If AS3/4 have some unavoidable aoe damage (something like gigaflare) when the party will need all of the SCH mitigations to survive (+dragon kick + storm's path or whatever), it will be a wipe with an AST/WHM combo, making SCH a necessity. This is simply wrong. AST/WHM, AST/SCH and of course SCH/WHM should all be viable combinations. Noct AST must be comparable to SCH in max potential damage mitigation (probably something less since SCH should use a lot of different skills to maximize damage mitigation). Right now it's considerably weaker than a 2.X SCH. Noct CU should be completely reworked to give it something original and very powerful to justify the fact that we cannot act while channeling it. If they're too lazy for that, they should at least make it so that damage is reduced by 15-20%.