Any new new in NIN's positional so?

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Originally Posted by Adire

Some of the concerns: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...lls_in/crl4hz6

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I've already stated my stance on positionals plenty. But I do agree it is kind of a ridiculous blow to the class with how they are essentially making Goad even less important to a party. The enmity thing is weird/odd/quirky as I don't recall any instance I've ever had that would make it meaningful.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

I've already stated my stance on positionals plenty. But I do agree it is kind of a ridiculous blow to the class with how they are essentially making Goad even less important to a party. The enmity thing is weird/odd/quirky as I don't recall any instance I've ever had that would make it meaningful.

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Well, Yoshida was right in that NIN's can deal a massive amount of damage in the first few moments of the fight. I do just that with my opener/rotation.

I just got out of WoD and pulled aggro off the tank with it and got half the alliance cleaved and AoE'd by the dragon actually >_>

So an aggro dump can be useful, if not exciting.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Monks have been a very positional job from the start, so obviously positionals won't kill it....positionals are part of what defines it. Just as the lack of positionals and increased difficulty elsewhere are part of what define ninja.

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Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

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Wrong the English translation had a mistake none of ninjas abilities had a positional requirement. That is neither here nor there though this topic was about if we knew what was getting positional we don't no need to turn this thread into another flame war between melees

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

Wrong the English translation had a mistake none of ninjas abilities had a positional requirement. That is neither here nor there though this topic was about if we knew what was getting positional we don't no need to turn this thread into another flame war between melees

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Flame war? I brought up Monks because they are the most positional heavy Job in the game.

All I'm saying is that its not going to kill Ninjas to have to go to the side for a couple of skills.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

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I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Flame war? I brought up Monks because they are the most positional heavy Job in the game.

All I'm saying is that its not going to kill Ninjas to have to go to the side for a couple of skills.

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The first part was for you the second part was for the rest of the thread I apologize if you thought i meant you specifically were starting something.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

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It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

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Ah. Well the point still stands, it was SE's intent to not have positionals be present besides sneak/trick attack in NIN originally.

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Originally Posted by Adire

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59

2.4 patch notes. Dancing Edge is started to have a Flanking requirement to get the full 260 Potency after Gust Slash.
If it was a simple mistranslation, That mistranslation managed to make its way into the game, as the ingame tooltip for the skill reflected that Flank requirement.
That was corrected in a later patch, Though Ninjas in general were executing it from Flank with the expectation that it increased the potency, Myself included.
We were told pretty quick that the potency is the same from all around and that a patch would fix the tooltip.

My point is, even when that phantom requirement (translation mistake or altered design notwithstanding) was there tricking a lot of us into Flanking for it, no one cared when they told we didn't need to Flank.
It didn't make any difference whatsoever.