The Blessed

I'd like to see her be the Dravanian Beast Tribe leader for those quests. I think since she's the host for the summoned Shiva, that would make sense.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

I'm looking for Ysayle to become one of our closer allies as Heavensward's story deepens, even if only because we've now, somewhat, seen that the black/white dragons-bad/ishgard-good is a farce or are at least on the way there. As others have said, she sent us to Midgar and they both seem to be trying to urge us to stop the war. (Nice to see that we're getting more defined "Saint Shiva" wasn't actually in the wrong!!)

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They both seem to think the solution to the war is for Ishgard to be wiped out. I think she may become an ally but I think she is going to have to swing more back toward the middle. I think she is a bit too pro dravanian at this point. If anything, I think its going to be up to us to stop the war but stop it our way and in a way that unites the north rather than simply destroying one side or the other. When the Garleans come knocking I think we are going to want to have the Dravanians and the Ishgardians on our side.

Note the little prophecy from way back when when we had that lead up to 2.5 Producers blog. It said "only the Ivory Lance can pierce the Ebony mail". That is pretty clearly referring the Ishgard, not Dravania. In short, we will need Ishgard to beat the 'Ebony mail' of probably Garlamald. Its not going to be much help if its a smoking crater.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think she may become an ally but I think she is going to have to swing more back toward the middle. I think she is a bit too pro dravanian at this point.

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I can agree with this. I think it will be up to us to show her, as Dravanian liaison,--and Ishgard--that wiping each other out is NOT the best course of action. If she is any indication then both the Dravanians and Ishgardians are zealots in their own ways.

I guess that Ysayle looked at the Ishgardians as oathbreakers and she knew that somehow Hydaelyn and Midgardsomr are on the same level (hello.... he stripped the Warrior of Light of Hydaelyn's blessing). So, she wanted to get back at the Ishgardians for mistreating Midgardsomr?
Remember that Dravanians are also a race, albeit they're not humanoid, and they live for a very long time. So, if the Warrior of Light stands for Hydaelyn and Eorzea, couldn't Ysayle stand for Midgardsomr and the Dravanians? We fight Garleans because they want to rule over us but the Dravanians are already been betrayed by the Ishgardians (for whatever reason). Now Ysayle wanted revenge against the Ishgardians for the sake of the Dravanians.

Speculations though.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

the Dravanians are already been betrayed by the Ishgardians (for whatever reason).

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The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to the chasm where Ishgard now stands, fought Nidhogg and ripping his eye out at a treasure.

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Originally Posted by Alberic

Before we commence, however, it is only fitting that you are edified regarding our origins. It all began a millennium past, when our forebears resided in the southern plains in humble circumstances.
The Fury, impressed by the spirit of our ancestors, decided it was meet that She make them Her own. So did She appear before Haldrath's sire, a man of courage and integrity named Thordan, and bade him lead Her people to the Promised Land─to what would become the great nation of Ishgard. Their journey brought them to a wide chasm, whereupon Thordan and his people set to building a bridge. It was then that a dark shadow descended upon them─the great wyrm Nidhogg. Heedless of his own safety, Thordan fearlessly charged at the colossal beast. Alas, he was pushed into the chasm by one of his own, a man seduced by the wyrm, and fell to his death.
Taking up his slain sire's lance, Haldrath hurled himself at Nidhogg, even as tears streamed down his face. The confrontation ended when the young man, his hand guided by Halone, landed a mighty thrust that prized out Nidhogg's eye. With a terrible roar of pain, the great wyrm took wing and fled, while jubilation reigned below.

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So yeah, this kind of shows that the black-white view we are presented from Ishgard is not completely true.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to Nidhogg's layer, where Ishgard now stands, and attacked him, ripping his eye out at a treasure.

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Whether or not the chasm in which Ishgard stands was Nidhogg's lair remains obscure, and if you'd like to speculate that it was, that's fine, but let's hold off on claiming it as fact for now.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Whether or not the chasm in which Ishgard stands was Nidhogg's lair remains obscure, and if you'd like to speculate that it was, that's fine, but let's hold off on claiming it as fact for now.

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Ah I misread my own quote :p Edited for clarity sake.

I'll bet gil that the 'Halone' who appeared and told the early Ishgardians to go to a 'promised land' was just an Ascian stirring the pot for a long-term plan. The fact that one is (literally) behind the throne in Ishgard seems to imply that, imo.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

The betrayal was outlined in the DRG job quests. The first Dragoon led a company to the chasm where Ishgard now stands, fought Nidhogg and ripping his eye out at a treasure.

So yeah, this kind of shows that the black-white view we are presented from Ishgard is not completely true.

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What's strange is that, even though they do recognize they attacked the dragons in the first place (and provoked the war), they still think the dragons are the evil ones because Ishgard is "the holy place". These people just came out of nowhere and attacked the dravanians ffs. and they think the dravanians are the bad guys ?

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Originally Posted by Nialle

I'll bet gil that the 'Halone' who appeared and told the early Ishgardians to go to a 'promised land' was just an Ascian stirring the pot for a long-term plan. The fact that one is (literally) behind the throne in Ishgard seems to imply that, imo.

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my opinion too.

Though this "long term plan" is very likely to be urged to its end faster than expected as the Ascians acknowledged you as a serious threat now. I can sense a huge disaster striking Ishgard soon. Dragons invading might not be their first priority in the near future :p



(I do hope all of this will conclude into pacific cohabitation of Ishgardians and dravanians in their homeland.)

I wonder if they want the Ishgardians to wage war with the Dravanians (and dragons in general) because Midgardsormr (and the dragons in general as their king) is on Hydaelyn's side against them. That's be a good reason to inspire this age long war against the dragons.