Items: Materia Adjustments

Somehow I get the impression that stigma would persist even if you could only SB stuff your class could Need on. Heck, I've gotten shit for wearing HQ militia gear in CM. That's OVER the dungeon's level (ilvl 55 for a level 50 dungeon) and I had a 110 weapon... But apparently I'm the paragon of avarice for daring to run CM in less than full ilvl 100+ gear.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Somehow I get the impression that stigma would persist even if you could only SB stuff your class could Need on. Heck, I've gotten shit for wearing HQ militia gear in CM. That's OVER the dungeon's level (ilvl 55 for a level 50 dungeon) and I had a 110 weapon... But apparently I'm the paragon of avarice for daring to run CM in less than full ilvl 100+ gear.

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The trick is to be a class that everyone needs / desires and wear "appropriate" gear.
I SB i70 DoM jewellery (DET and CRIT is all of these), and run as either WHM or BLM all the time. I only SB the right side, this keeps my iLVL about 85ish; which keeps the jerks happy because I am strong enough to keep up regardless of the size of pull.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Unfortunately the only place in the entire game you can spiritbond at is Urth's Fount

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This is so straight up wrong I don't even know where to begin.
People flock to Urth's because "hurr level 50 non-aggro mobs". It is one of the slowest openworld SB spots especially when partied because of the inherent popularity penalty (ie, always have to be partied), uneven aoe with multiple ppl pulling / not LoSing, and lower level ked/boars/bats even if you leave the fountain to supplement.
I mean honestly, you're just kicking yourself in the foot partying, unless you're straight up lazy, and don't mind party penalty as a tradeoff for laziness.

WLN, mines @ Nthan, Ixal @Nshroud, East Shroud, hell, even the 48 plasmoids unpartied are faster than Urth's grouped.
The only community issue is the community not trying new things for itself & blindly parroting dumb shit.

Even killing sheep solo to SB is a thing, and you'd get the fleece to supplement the slower SB speed.

T4's probably the only instance worth running purely to SB (Lota/ST during the weekly carbontwine quest), because of speed/2ndary drops.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

The trick is to be a class that everyone needs / desires and wear "appropriate" gear.
I SB i70 DoM jewellery (DET and CRIT is all of these), and run as either WHM or BLM all the time. I only SB the right side, this keeps my iLVL about 85ish; which keeps the jerks happy because I am strong enough to keep up regardless of the size of pull.

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I'm a career tank. When I choose to SB I SB'd on tank. (I stopped, because it's not as profitable as it used to be (600K-900K for above materia). Soooo /thread?). I ran Extreme dungeons, in i90 gear. (Snowcloak, Satasha HM, Qaarn HM). The i90 HQ Spiritbonds in 3 runs.

FYI - this is Heavy Wolfram gear. I was running typically only left side. my FC Leader ran as BRD I think. he always did full sets. I think even weapon included.

If you are going to do this, you can't slack off. As long as you are doing decent numbers, people might complain but the won't kick you. If you are wearing garbage gear and not paing attention, then you are a hindrance to the party as a whole. There's nothing wrong with wearing crafted gear in instances for te purposes of SB, as long as you actually contribute.

The Stigma is mostly b/c people will walk in with SB gear and suck.

Also, today at lunch I walked into a Trial Roulette as a WAR in full i110. My jewellery was platinum Ruby, but I haven't melded VIT into it yet. The PLD told me to 'let him tank' because 'he had more HP'

yeah, b/c he was wearing VIT accessories. He couldn't pull threat off me if he tried, and I wasn't going to jus afk for the whole fight. besides, 8.5K is more than enough for Ramuh HM lolol.

Anyway, somebody griped at me for Spirit Bonding. I don't think I know ANYBODY converting full HQ i110 gear lol. Some people are just jerks. That being said, I'm confident that while tanking I was also probably highest DPS, or at least close. . . even with Defiance on. Despite how I used to feel about PLD having more CD's, I seemingl always have a CD for everthing even if I'm on WAR. As long as you know when to expect spike damage Inner Beast is just sikh.

Ehhh try Jenova, there's usually only 1 or 2 people there if not empty :)

But I do agree people need to branch out a little more, I SB while killing Hippogyphs in Mor Dhona for double the bonus and it's paid off quite well.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

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They could just solve the problem by extending ilvl cap to whatever ilvl the duty was balanced around, or drops. I've just gotten into the habit of ignoring people that whine about my gear. Unless you are causing wipes, SBing will not have an appreciable effect on the time it takes to clear the instance. We are talking 1-3 mins off a 20-25 min clear.

Honestly, i70/i90 gear is the way to go for tier IVs. 2-4 instances will SB HQ/Melded gear.

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Originally Posted by Mishini_Dracoto

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I don't understand why you're quoting me. I was clearly talking about overworld SB. /thread for what?
There's nothing wrong with SBing in instances if you carry your weight.
I'm saying purely from an efficiency standpoint that it's LESS EFFICIENT to run random dungeons if it's <only> for the sake of SBing.
That is, why spend 45min+ running 3x roulette dungeons, when you can spend like.. 25-35min doing 5x T4, with a higher loot potential.
Material costs will obviously vary per server so I can't generalize cost of crafting i70 vs i90 vs the ~20% difference in conversion rate.

I know there's other areas to SB, I was using it to say "When the majority of folks SB, that's where they go, and the community hates you doing so elsewhere" A little hyperbole there, which I suppose doesn't translate well over text. It can be overcrowded and slow, and more importantly SBing there means you're going there SOLELY to SB, and it also means you can't SB stuff past ilvl 55.

Both of these contribute to the considerable lack of tier IV materia. Unless you're a greedy asshole like us, you're hardly ever SBing, and for a low chance at tier IV to boot.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I know there's other areas to SB, I was using it to say "When the majority of folks SB, that's where they go, and the community hates you doing so elsewhere" A little hyperbole there, which I suppose doesn't translate well over text. It can be overcrowded and slow, and more importantly SBing there means you're going there SOLELY to SB, and it also means you can't SB stuff past ilvl 55.

Both of these contribute to the considerable lack of tier IV materia. Unless you're a greedy asshole like us, you're hardly ever SBing, and for a low chance at tier IV to boot.

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Oh, my bad then. I misunderstood where you were going with that.

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Originally Posted by hqdm

I don't understand why you're quoting me. I was clearly talking about overworld SB. /thread for what?
There's nothing wrong with SBing in instances if you carry your weight.
I'm saying purely from an efficiency standpoint that it's LESS EFFICIENT to run random dungeons if it's <only> for the sake of SBing.
That is, why spend 45min+ running 3x roulette dungeons, when you can spend like.. 25-35min doing 5x T4, with a higher loot potential.
Material costs will obviously vary per server so I can't generalize cost of crafting i70 vs i90 vs the ~20% difference in conversion rate.

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I think I mis quoted. >_> So I changed it to a different post that seemingly makes more sense lol.

Regarding e verything you just said, I think it's easier to get DF Extreme's in, than a T4 Grind party. I've never queued Duty Finder while solo for T4. I guess you could do that instead of running Extreme's.

T4 spiritbinds full HQ i90 no Materia in 5 runs? That's pretty impressive actually. #WhyHaveINotDoneThis #IAmArmorerDesynth #Herp#Derp