A plea to SE about future raids.

I've always done T9 with two tanks. Having a back-up tank in the last phase has saved us more than once.

But I agree. If people can't push properly with 4 dps then the dps need to step-up their game, not make their tank level a dps class to carry them along.

Simple FFXIV is a game you level more then one job. Then have one of your tank level up a DPS and gear them out. I myself play SMN as my main but for turn 8 i just go BLM due to it being a boring standing around fight.

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Originally Posted by mero-ix

I've always done T9 with two tanks. Having a back-up tank in the last phase has saved us more than once.

But I agree. If people can't push properly with 4 dps then the dps need to step-up their game, not make their tank level a dps class to carry them along.

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This is my line of thinking as well.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Or, better yet, maybe more than one difficult raid every 6 months?

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More like "multiple bosses in one raid instead of single corridor leading to boss".

It'd be a different story is turns 6-9 were continuous. That would force the raid comp to adjust and prepare with the whole raid in mind rather than switching jobs between turns. That way fights that require multiple tanks and fights that require one main tank can exist without forcing raid members to do things they don't want to do.

To give a practical example, if you have a raid with 6 bosses and 3 of the fights required multiple tanks, your raid would have to make their group comp with that in mind instead of making people switch between bosses. Which means even the encounters that don't require multiple tanks would have the "extra" tanks doing pseudo DPS.

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Originally Posted by mero-ix

I've always done T9 with two tanks. Having a back-up tank in the last phase has saved us more than once.

But I agree. If people can't push properly with 4 dps then the dps need to step-up their game, not make their tank level a dps class to carry them along.

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Same with us, and OT uses DPS accessories and does some respectable damage.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

More like "multiple bosses in one raid instead of single corridor leading to boss".

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That works, too. Though there does need to be more than just one difficult raid every six months (especially since it has a weekly lockout. If a group is good and they finish all Turns on the day lockout is reset... yeah).

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Originally Posted by Raxion

It's not really a matter of it being a problem. It's the fact that most groups simply refuse to bring two tanks for those fights. When's the last time you saw a group duo-tank T8?

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My group duo-tanks it every week. A PLD OT in shield oath can put out quite a lot of damage if you've got a WAR MT.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

My group duo-tanks it every week.

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I think he was talking about pugs. Of course if you have your own group you're not going to tell your friend to bugger off.

If you're going to demand that SE makes double tank a requirement for every fight, then please request more interesting tank mechanics along with it.
Every fight being some combination of adds or tank swapping debuffs is incredibly stale.

Duo tanking T8 leads to:

- lol Dread
- lol Mines
- lol Rocket
- lol Brainjack

T8 is much easier and safer with two tanks than one. T9 same, two tanks makes golems and heavensfall a breeze. Given your dds should do their job properly.