Possible Solution to stop Hunt Abusers

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

I wasn't accusing you of that. I'm just saying, if you don't like it, just ignore it. Hunts are an entirely optional side system.

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That's as maybe, but do you see the point he's making? The fact that the hunt system is broken and being abused means this "entirely optional side system" is negatively impacting other parts of the game. It's difficult to ignore it when stuff like that is happening.

Whats funny is that the people farming the hell out of this to upgrade their gear with Sands and Oils will go into Coil 2 after already getting Max iLevel and think they actually accomplished something by being over geared lol To me it seems the Hunt System was put in place to give casuals/non-hardcore raiders the opportunity to get gear upgrades.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

That's as maybe, but do you see the point he's making? The fact that the hunt system is broken and being abused means this "entirely optional side system" is negatively impacting other parts of the game. It's difficult to ignore it when stuff like that is happening.

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Also the system really isn't broken in my opinion. What is broken is SE's ability to monitor and police their own game to prevent 3rd Party App Abusers. If they had released the game with some kind of anti-cheat system in place they may have had an easier time finding and disciplining the cheaters and there by discouraging more cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

That's as maybe, but do you see the point he's making? The fact that the hunt system is broken and being abused means this "entirely optional side system" is negatively impacting other parts of the game. It's difficult to ignore it when stuff like that is happening.

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Yeah, that's a fair point. But SCoB (And first coil when it was the only coil) can bring out a lot of bad in people too. SE can't fix people.

Now hunts could definitely use some adjustments on the technical side to encourage community building and such, but "I don't like system X so remove it" (and "ban everyone successful at it" and so on) isn't productive to that conversation. OP, on the other hand, had an actual idea which may help with one of the system's flaws.

How are people abusing it? zerging isn't abuse. . .it's unfair but I don't think it's abuse.

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Originally Posted by CSX

How are people abusing it? zerging isn't abuse. . .it's unfair but I don't think it's abuse.

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I'm not talking about Zerging CSX. There are people abusing the system with outside methods and ill leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by CSX

How are people abusing it? zerging isn't abuse. . .it's unfair but I don't think it's abuse.

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This particular thread is to address the use of third party "radar" tools that make it easier to locate hunt mobs. So I think that's pretty safely "abuse".

Admittedly, people are dragging a lot of other Hunt baggage into this thread. Third party apps aren't the entire problem (in fact I think it's one of the smaller ones, save for teleporting, that's huge), but that's what the OP proposed a solution for.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This particular thread is to address the use of third party "radar" tools that make it easier to locate hunt mobs. So I think that's pretty safely "abuse".

Admittedly, people are dragging a lot of other Hunt baggage into this thread. Third party apps aren't the entire problem (in fact I think it's one of the smaller ones, save for teleporting, that's huge), but that's what the OP proposed a solution for.

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Wow that blows, I've been screwed over by zergs here on Ramuh so I just assumed, since the JP players are always froming 8man groups via PT finder and I'm just too timid towards joining them since I don't speak the language ><

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

This particular thread is to address the use of third party "radar" tools that make it easier to locate hunt mobs. So I think that's pretty safely "abuse".

Admittedly, people are dragging a lot of other Hunt baggage into this thread. Third party apps aren't the entire problem (in fact I think it's one of the smaller ones, save for teleporting, that's huge), but that's what the OP proposed a solution for.

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Agreed, there are plenty of areas where this system needs alot of work. However, I think that before anything can be done about these other issues, it is important to remove abusers from the equation. Then the system can be fixed and tested by legitimate players.

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Originally Posted by CSX

Wow that blows, I've been screwed over by zergs here on Ramuh so I just assumed, since the JP players are always froming 8man groups via PT finder and I'm just too timid towards joining them since I don't speak the language ><

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The upside is they only work for visual range anyway (client doesn't get data for all mobs in the zone, just what you can see). So with good parties, linkshells, etc working together, it's perfectly possible to be competitive without using said tools. Solo, though, you're going to have a rough time. And I think that's something they could address since I don't think it's meant to be *this* competitive in the first place... but I like OP's idea for at least hindering app users while not burdening regular players.

I had suggested in another thread an idea but don't know how feasible it would be to implement code-wise:

When a B/A/S mark spawns, it has no name-plate or health bar until targeted. Basically it would just spawn and no one's the wiser until you target it. Or even better, until you engage. If the latter, you'd have to call in reinforcements and once the battle has begun, only then do you know what rank it is, name plate pops up, health bar.

At that point, true hunting begins, completely under the radar (pun intended) and you'd be extremely hard-pressed to mess with the system.