What is PLD BiS?

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

You never go into a fight unprepared. Min/maxing is always important at all parts of the game. Sure, you can survive without doing that, but every little bit you do is always a plus. Everyone is aware that there will be a new BiS for all sets, but like I had stated before, you would probably need the second best BiS (or older Bis) first to reach that point. T1-T5 are not being nerf, they're just be opened up.

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The first thing you need to know about BiS in the current state of the game is that it's all based on min/maxing secondary stats. Now, you may think to yourself "Well, that's worth it, right? With enough secondary stats you could reach a threshold that allows you to do things you otherwise couldn't!" - which is a completely valid thought process to have. However, what you need to realize before I go any further is that no equipment in the game has enough points in secondary stats that it actually ends up making any sort of definable difference. As an example since we're talking about PLD - min/max Parry PLD set vs max accuracy, lowest Parry PLD set. The min/max set parries roughly 1-3% more.

From there, you might think "Well, that's very very little, but I might as well have it, right?" - and it's true, if you happen to get all the pieces then you SHOULD use the min/max set. But something important to note is that you can beat T5, easily, in the bare minimum set and MOST of your current BiS set is RNG drops from Coil 1-5 so that means you'll not only be relying on luck, but also sinking a large amount of time into those turns. Even when they're repeatable and you can farm them infinitely, you'll still be spending a massive amount of time trying to get current BiS when you could already be in T6 getting BETTER gear and progressing even further.

So you need to ask yourself - is it REALLY worth stressing over a BiS set that won't ACTUALLY make T6-9 any easier, all of which will be replaced almost immediately?

Right. Like. I see where you're coming from - if you've got the opportunity to farm for BiS why not take the time to do it? But my point is that it's NOT worth the time investment to GET BiS. It's NOT going to help. It's just... not. The differences are so inconsequential that you literally would not notice it at all. I guarantee you, if a group in full i90 BiS with Allagan weapon beat Twintania in (let's just say as an example) 11:48, a group in non-i90 BiS with Allagan weapon would beat it in 11:50-11:55. Does that REALLY matter? Is that small amount of extra DET or Crit Rate or Skill Speed REALLY going to do anything for you? Is it worth spending hours and hours in the same turn, hoping for your piece to FINALLY drop?

Now, on another note, if it happens to be faster for you to get x Allagan piece vs farming for Myth for it (let's say, the chest from t1 vs the tome cost it would take to get the Myth equivalent) then sure, farm for that all you want. But actually aiming for specifically BiS and sinking all that time into getting it... it's just way too much effort for way too little reward.

I know in MOST MMOs with ACTUAL gear systems have TRUE BiS that ACTUALLY affect how you perform in a certain instance or a certain boss fight, but this isn't one of those MMOs. At least not yet. The differences, truely, are so so so so so so so small. It SERIOUSLY will not be the difference between you winning or losing in T6. As long as you hit whatever the accuracy cap is and have max of your main stats, your secondary stats will mean NOTHING. Seriously. I'm not kidding. It's. So. Pointless. It. Is. Such. A. Waste. Of Time. Don't. Do. This. To. Yourself.

If they ACTUALLY start varying the gear to the point where BiS actually holds any weight, like say giving x piece a higher chance of restarting the cooldown on x move (like a proc, but attached to your gear) - THAT would be a piece that could ACTUALLY affect how you progress. That literally could be a make or break piece for certain content. But as it is now, it is a MASSIVE waste of time. Don't do it. Seriously. Just. Don't do it.

Secondary stats matter so little. iLvL is much more important then BiZ.

The only thought for a tank is whether or not to use a STR build as OT.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

The current BiS is always going to remain a factor when approaching newer, and more difficult content.

And lastly, here's another thought. What if you happen to make it all the way to turn 9? It's probably because the current BiS gear you're wearing could have been more then capable of carrying you that far! Now you have the stratification of knowing that you're capable of doing all the new turns without trouble! When in turn, that would make you very grateful that you got that gear in the first place!

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They want new coil to be like going into old coil... pretty safe to say new crafting gear is gona be ilvl90 and if thats ture old bis will be worth less then that in absolute min/maxing. Secondly if you only starting bis now its irrelevant because even with the new loot rules you you prob have enough to get new gear with new tomb stones so just get ilvl 90 whatever you can and be prepared to replace all in a few weeks.

Short answer: Try to get i90 with acc around 480 (after food! this is important!), then mix in what gives you the best parry, determination, etc.

Outside of coil, wear whatever as I have had no accuracy issues on anything. Inside however is where ACC becomes important. I don't even wear the primal sword on Turn 1 because I notice the acc loss.

Let me get this straight... Someone here thinks having 100 less Parry is only 3% less parry chance?
I can tell you right now, I have 2 characters with the Allagan Blade, you are wrong. (Brought an ALT from 0-ilvl 88 in 5 weeks, and just got my T5 Sword last night.)
There is no reason to believe that 2ndary stats are that worthless.

2nd stat is nowhere near worthless but then again I dont see my self spending extra 2 -3 week getting myth BiS it when i can tank/dps T5 just fine with T1-4 allagan set. I rather spend those myth on my second job/class. that my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Remn

2nd stat is nowhere near worthless but then again I dont see my self spending extra 2 -3 week getting myth BiS it when i can tank/dps T5 just fine with T1-4 allagan set. I rather spend those myth on my second job/class. that my opinion.

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It's mostly the fact that gearing up with 0 Parry is not a good way to go for taking on new content. I'm not saying everyone NEEDS BiS, but I will argue for the sake of saying it is BiS for a reason. It is Better than having a Skill Speed build on Paladin. It is better than having a High Crit build on a Warrior. Both are not buffing anything that those classes need. =P Paladin damage on Twintania ranged from 45-65K for the entire fight, a littlre more Determination or Crit won't add much more, but parrying more often will save your entire group from potentially having to start over.

I already have my Allagan chest piece, but had recently obtained my Valor chest as it is listed as BiS. The chest piece does have higher Parry + Determination to help greater mitigate damage, but without the significant increase in Accuracy that the Allagan chest provides. Of course the BiS will likely change with the upcoming patch 2.2 and expected I had been thinking that maybe there are BiS pieces for different parts of the game. ie. Valor chest for most primals and Turn 1-4 and Allagan chest for Turn 5. It may also change depending on what your basic stats are, your race and the food you use as long as you meet the required caps of specific stats like accuracy.

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

Let me get this straight... Someone here thinks having 100 less Parry is only 3% less parry chance?
I can tell you right now, I have 2 characters with the Allagan Blade, you are wrong. (Brought an ALT from 0-ilvl 88 in 5 weeks, and just got my T5 Sword last night.)
There is no reason to believe that 2ndary stats are that worthless.

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3% overall less parrying over the course of the entire fight.

Secondary stats have worth, sure, but thinking that having such a small amount of Parry/DET/Crit/etc. will actually make any real definable difference When You Are Already Full i90 is a bit delusional. Remember, when talking about BiS we are talking about the best set at full i90 - not some i70, some i80, etc. We're talking about full i90 and whether the secondary stats are actually worth min/maxing to complete content - which they aren't. Even in T6, somehow, I doubt that extra Parry is going to make or break your win or loss. Yes, it's good to have more Parry than less Parry - but it's not worth grinding Coil for as long as it takes to get it when you could, instead, be in T6 grinding THAT for BETTER GEAR. If you happen to have unlimited time on your hands and no life, then sure, spend all your time facerolling 1-5 to get your BiS - hell, might as well get BiS on every job while you're there. But for those of us who have brains, maybe if you can do T6 with what you've got you Really Don't Need BiS. O: O: O: O: Also saying "I have 2 characters with the Allagan Blade" doesn't make you any less wrong - keep it in your pants, man.

Oh, also, nobody is arguing that maximizing Parry isn't the way you create a BiS set - the whole debate from OP is that the current BiS will still have a lot of worth in 2.2 when it barely has any worth now. All you need is full i90 and to hit Accuracy cap, if you happen to not have that extra 100 Parry it rrrrreally isn't going to matter.