Mantra and Bard

Our Static DPS is 2 DRG, BLM, SMN. No Mantra at all (neither of us is willing to level MNK right now lol)

Do we have any issues? Nope. 5% healing boost isn't going to make or break anything.

Especially Mantra on a BRD is unnecessary. A DRG would use it to boost healing on themselves and the tank...a BRD would need to move into melee range really close to the tank, which will most likely cause more harm than healing. And since you have a MNK already...its really not needed at all

Your WHM is just looking for a reason to blame others for his failings. You don't even need a BRD in Coil 1-4 at all with a PLD and MNK for ADS silences.

Both of our melee don't have bard leveled up at all so that wouldn't work. My reason for switching to bard from smn is because I was told that a bard was essential to a group and that we would not be able to clear T4 or T5 without one.

i am i86 but only have a 16 lancer. i've cleared t4 and healing was never close to an issue its always been feeding spiders, tanks keeping hate or dpsing the right mobs. i have never tried t5. if your healers cant keep up they need better gear or more practice. as a brd you would only get hit by the spinner rooks at most. if u get hit with cleaves or pull hate from a knight then you need to adjust. you "can" use foe req on spiders and the first dread then normally you will BV ballad for p4/5 i think.

blms should switch soldiers if they pull hate and dds all need to watch for cleaves. healers need to feed spiders properly and tanks need to keep hate. now the only issue would be your tank not surviving double dreads. that part is a party effort. mantra is better then featherfoot but not the critical factor to beating t1-4

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Originally Posted by Darkstatic107

Both of our melee don't have bard leveled up at all so that wouldn't work. My reason for switching to bard from smn is because I was told that a bard was essential to a group and that we would not be able to clear T4 or T5 without one.

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You can clear T4 easy with no BRD; its all about positioning and kill-order. Our best clears have been DRG, DRG, MNK, SMN, and our current static is DRG, DRG, BLM, SMN.

Not sure about T5 (we haven't really started on it due to scheduling issues)...but you're no where near ready for T5 if you haven't been in T4 for a while. So don't worry about that yet. As far as I know, a BRD is great for learning T5, but once you've cleared it a few times BRD is unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Darkstatic107

Both of our melee don't have bard leveled up at all so that wouldn't work. My reason for switching to bard from smn is because I was told that a bard was essential to a group and that we would not be able to clear T4 or T5 without one.

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ya you need a brd for mages ballaf. you also need enough dps though so an i50 brd is not too likely to cut it. if your healers were i90 may not need ballad, not sure

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

ya you need a brd for mages ballaf. you also need enough dps though so an i50 brd is not too likely to cut it. if your healers were i90 may not need ballad, not sure

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All bard gear that has dropped has gone to me as well as gear i've gotten from the past two weeks in CT. I also have saved up philo tomes and myth tomes to buy enough gear to have myself covered.

We are a fresh group, this is only our second week together. We have reached phase 6 of turn 4 numerous times but our dps is not quite there. Particularly my dps as a smn is not quite there since I am saving all my tomes for bard gear. Ive brought up this up and mentioned gearing out my smn with my tomes which would probably fix a lot of our issues, but apparently a bard is more important than a smn and since I will switch anyway, then I shouldn't waste tomes.My bard is 45 and should be max by this weekend.

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If you were just having DPS issues you WILL have more with a BRD. I know a BLM can solo-magicDPS T4...but they have to be near i90 to do so. SMN can be lesser0geared and do it solo thanks to how the class works.

Unless one of your melee is going caster...you're going to have one heck of a bad time in T4 with you switching to BRD.


First, do you like SMN or BRD more? If you like SMN more, or are just leveling BRD because they told you to...leave the group and find one that wants you as a SMN, and gear SMN up
If you do like BRD...then keep going like this if you want.

Personally, I would leave them and find a group that wants me for the class I want to do. Your group sounds a little toxic based on what you've said, and I wouldn't stick around.

At first I really hated my smn which is why I decided to switch to bard. Now I don't mind it as much and both classes are enjoyable. It isnt my group per se, as its just one member who is bringing all this up. We are also a group from the same FC and all enjoy each other. It's mostly trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. My gear is really really bad as a smn, im wearing crafted gear with darklight accessories and a relic wep with an ilvl of 70.

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Originally Posted by Darkstatic107

At first I really hated my smn which is why I decided to switch to bard. Now I don't mind it as much and both classes are enjoyable. It isnt my group per se, as its just one member who is bringing all this up. We are also a group from the same FC and all enjoy each other. It's mostly trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. My gear is really really bad as a smn, im wearing crafted gear with darklight accessories and a relic wep with an ilvl of 70.

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How geared are the other people in your group, specifically the healers and BLM? And remind me of the total group comp (sorry, don't feel like reading the thread again; know you said MNK, BLM and 2 WHM)


You have to make a few decisions.

First, do you like SMN or BRD better? Do you like the people in your group enough to keep going with this one person who is trying to boss everyone around? Will you regret not gearing your SMN if you gear your BRD?


What I would do is talk to everyone in your group.

Bring up these points:

1) How are we going to make up the lack of Magic DPS in T4 if I go BRD?

2) Are you sure we need a BRD for Manasong?

3) Why isn't one of the other Physical DPS going for BRD? (if you want to gear SMN more than BRD)

4) Are one of the Physical DPS going to change to a Caster to replace me? (if you go BRD)


EDIT: Also, what exactly is your SMN gear? And what do you have specifically for BRD right now?

Then it looks like your Monk should be using Mantra at appropriate times. 5% can help, but its not a substantial boost. But if you have the hotbar space/ cross class space for it, why not