Mistaking difficulty for other things

I didn't enjoy the level caps in CoP. I enjoyed the content. The level caps were necessary because those areas and fights were balanced for level 30, 40, 50, or 60, and would be utterly broken by a level 75 rushing through. When the devs made CoP, they had the option of either capping the areas, optimizing the entire expansion for level 75, or letting people get a different experience solely based on whether they want to overlevel for it.

CoP's level caps were a pain in the ass, but totally worth it.

battle mechanic is paramount... ease of access is a perk until its perfect. enjoy it while it lasts foo. your a tester, freebee duh

Is it wrong to ask for difficult content as soon as it's released? Personally I would like a challenge that's nearly unbeatable as soon as it's released and as testing goes weaken it a tad to see how it works. That way it'll keep people wanting to try to beat it for the rewards, and people won't be through the whole thing within a few weeks (maybe days) and just quit running it altogether. And it'd be an extra perk for those LS elitists that manage to beat the content, because they'd have bragging rights for the rest of the game's existence as long as they have proof to show that they did it, and when they did it.

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Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

I'll post this again, even if you all must be tired of me insisting on this. But to me challenge comes with capped fights that are designed around that cap level. The way they had level capped areas/missions in FFXI. To me that is the definition of ongoing challenge, promotes skillfull play and even includes casual players. Being casual =/= wanting everytime steamrollable and easy. Capped missions also makes things challenging without being a grinding time sink.

Capped missions allows for high level to go help their low level friends and still get excitement with the mission and also keeps you more on your toes since bad playing could lead you to a wipe.

I think anyone who oppose to that just wants the possibility to have easy content by allowing their high level LS mates to come clear stuff for them while they watch TV and eat cookies. But that's just my opinion.

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i'm all with you on that topic, and still the fights have to be a challenge. The cap alone (looking at how easy the game currently is) won't save the game. The difficulty and like _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_ posted, the way the fights are designed matters
here. And that is where i doubt, that SE will do the right moves. Since so far they put "retard" on par with "casual" - which is BS -. At least the easy-mode all-around cries that out loud... so that has to be their direction atm. Mechanics like this are a killer for every game since ppl won't subscribe for an easy-mode grindfest (crafting).

Oh look it's this thread again.

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Originally Posted by Godryc

What is difficulty to you?

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Having to look left and right at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Anty

i'm all with you on that topic, and still the fights have to be a challenge. The cap alone (looking at how easy the game currently is) won't save the game. The difficulty and like _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_ posted, the way the fights are designed matters
here. And that is where i doubt, that SE will do the right moves. Since so far they put "retard" on par with "casual" - which is BS -. At least the easy-mode all-around cries that out loud... so that has to be their direction atm. Mechanics like this are a killer for every game since ppl won't subscribe for an easy-mode grindfest (crafting).

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I agree, it wouldn't solve the very fact that right now everything is too easy, even if it was capped. I hope like many that they heard us in saying that everyone (hardcores or casuals) want a challenge, and that they know that challenge doesn't mean time sink but skillful play and well designed encounters.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Oh look it's this thread again.

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It will keep coming back so long as people keep mistakenly equating difficulty with time-in primarily. And rightly so.

True Difficulty

Fights that are short (respectively to the monster you're fighting, at least not a huge fight like an HNM like Kirin) that takes pure skill to beat, so if you make a few mistakes you have the possibility of losing, but can still somehow make up for it in the same fight. In fights right now, especially in a party, the mob is dead after a few swings, or before you even pull your weapon out in a party. Behest to me would feel like a waste of 5 minutes if it didn't give good SP.

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Originally Posted by Xeak

Is it wrong to ask for difficult content as soon as it's released? Personally I would like a challenge that's nearly unbeatable as soon as it's released and as testing goes weaken it a tad to see how it works. That way it'll keep people wanting to try to beat it for the rewards, and people won't be through the whole thing within a few weeks (maybe days) and just quit running it altogether. And it'd be an extra perk for those LS elitists that manage to beat the content, because they'd have bragging rights for the rest of the game's existence as long as they have proof to show that they did it, and when they did it.

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the minute someone gains "bragging rights" over a pretend fight is the day ff community dwindles to the depths of the wow community sadly. ewwwww
not to mention the "elitists". thats exactly what this game does NOT need tyvm.