Does it make sense to have mobs die so quickly?

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Originally Posted by Felis

Is the enemy is too weak, you are too strong
Search stronger enemys.

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you show me a mob that is strong enough for a party of 8 to have a decent fight that does not 1 shot your party in the world. they either die in a few seconds or deal 2k+ damage per attack. there is no middle ground.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

you show me a mob that is strong enough for a party of 8 to have a decent fight that does not 1 shot your party in the world. they either die in a few seconds or deal 2k+ damage per attack. there is no middle ground.

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I do agree with this. but the Elf parties at 30-35 are actually pretty good. Everything else like you said is pretty much to easy or to hard. Like those Imp's AOE's

It doesn't make any sense. Part of the problem is that you are not rewarded for killing things that are more than 10 levels higher than you. The SP is capped after a level differential of 10.

I explain more here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-How-to-Fix-it

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

you show me a mob that is strong enough for a party of 8 to have a decent fight that does not 1 shot your party in the world. they either die in a few seconds or deal 2k+ damage per attack. there is no middle ground.

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There's lots of high level stuff you can kill. I'll show you.

Here's my party killing a rank 92 Goblin Headman:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ockup-Included


Here's my party killing a rank 77 Creeping Ivy:

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=171597

When yopu got 8 people beating on a mob, yes it does make sense

you want to see what a 8 man balanced mob is like, go fight faction NMs or the higher ranked NMs in the field

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no what we have to realize as a group based game(a game where se gives bonuses for grouping) then the mobs should be at least reasonably tough to defeat as a group.

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Exactly this.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

It doesn't make any sense. Part of the problem is that you are not rewarded for killing things that are more than 10 levels higher than you. The SP is capped after a level differential of 10

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And you probably can't be, or there'll be trouble too. Not only would it make partying outstrip solo sp per hour and render the game solo-hostile, but people would take it too far. This system is a reaction, not a new thing. It was designed with FFXI's mistakes in mind. In years 1-4 people overcamped levels, resulting in abuse of dLV-ignoring abilities and over-emphasizing jobs that favor a pseudo boss fight-- rangers tanks and mages. Yeah, THAT discussion again.

There's really no good solution except..and people are going to balk at this...separate but equal.
One line of content for soloers, designed for them. Another line for partiers, designed for them.
Then set the SP rate difference between the two. Partying is 40% better? 60% 75%. All you'd have to do is see what the partiers are wailing at, then tweak the soloers' content to match that rate.

Unlike white and black people there are REAL differences between soloers and partiers that we just need to acknowledge and give up trying to behave like they're the same.

As far as the mob's HP goes, yeah. If you touch it, the JP soloing base goes right in the trash can. Not gonna happen without a novel solution.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Exactly this.

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no not that

people dont understand what a grouping bonus even is

YOU DO NOT GET MORE SP FOR GROUPING

the "bonus" as it is, is only to offset the penalty you get for having more people in your group to begin with


If a mob gives 100 sp solo, it does not give more for being grouped, it gives less
with no bonus itl give 50 sp
with the bonus it may give 80 instead


the entire people of the reduced sp is in fact due to the mob getting easier to kill

so a solo kill can be 300 sp, a 8 man kill can be 100 sp, the 100 sp reflects the mob being easier to kill in a group
hence why the mobs dont need to be made tougher in order to "reflect" the misinterperted bonus

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

no what we have to realize as a group based game(a game where se gives bonuses for grouping) then the mobs should be at least reasonably tough to defeat as a group.

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Exactly. Yes!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

And you probably can't be, or there'll be trouble too. Not only would it make partying outstrip solo sp per hour and render the game solo-hostile, but people would take it too far. This system is a reaction, not a new thing. It was designed with FFXI's mistakes in mind. In years 1-4 people overcamped levels, resulting in abuse of dLV-ignoring abilities and over-emphasizing jobs that favor a pseudo boss fight-- rangers tanks and mages. Yeah, THAT discussion again.

There's really no good solution except..and people are going to balk at this...separate but equal.
One line of content for soloers, designed for them. Another line for partiers, designed for them.
Then set the SP rate difference between the two. Partying is 40% better? 60% 75%. All you'd have to do is see what the partiers are wailing at, then tweak the soloers' content to match that rate.

Unlike white and black people there are REAL differences between soloers and partiers that we just need to acknowledge and give up trying to behave like they're the same.

As far as the mob's HP goes, yeah. If you touch it, the JP soloing base goes right in the trash can. Not gonna happen without a novel solution.

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Do we really have to reawaken Jim Crow in order to speak about a 2-path solution in an MMO??

This coming from someone in agreement with the 2-avenue option. Just label it more kindly, otherwise it will turn people off. And rightly so.

R

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

When yopu got 8 people beating on a mob, yes it does make sense

you want to see what a 8 man balanced mob is like, go fight faction NMs or the higher ranked NMs in the field

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My linkshell and I do, all the time! Yesterday we had a great run, repeatedly beating the Great Buffalo. That is beyond the point of this question. We cannot rank up by fighting those. What about the everyday, simple experience of ranking up with a party? I really don't want to feel like SE is giving away the points, I want to feel I earned them.

In any event, even as a solo player the Guildleve mobs are too easy, and so is Behest, BTW.