<Epoch> Oceanic GMT +8 & 10, Typhon JP Server

Hello,

Please keep Tonberry forums clean. Your FC is based on a different server, so your recruitment should stay in your dedicated server forums.
If every FC was posting a recruitment thread on every server forums, it would become a mess.

If people are willing to transfer to a particular server, they will do their own FC research, there is no need to make a recruitment thread here for an FC based on another server.

I hope you will understand my concern and good luck with your recruitment,

Neko Mimi

They're allowed to post here while free transfers are going on, just like we're allowed to go post on theirs while free transfers are going on. Call it a grace period.

Also, same Epoch that split from AUCrew back in SWTOR? If so, I remember you guys.

To Taemek,

How dare you use these rarely used forums! Why I oughtta!

If you continue doing this, I may have to sift through an extra (!) post, instead of the 10 barely active ones we have already!

Unforgivable, heinous; OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Regards,

Self-appointed ajudicator of Tonberry

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

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Using irony wont make your post more credible.

Maybe people have the right to post recruitment thread in any forum they want, but if the hundreds of FC had the same great idea, it will become difficult for people to figure out what is at the right place and what is not.
Some threads have thousands of views, so maybe the forums are used more than you believe they are? And even if they were not, does it make it right to show a lack of respect (by impacting on their quality of life) towards this minority? Probably not.

Anyway, some people will understand my argument, some wont. I am not here to tell you what to do, I just wanted to raise a concern. I have said what I had to say, you are free to do whatever you want :)

No offence intended. Good luck.

From the top then;

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Using irony wont make your post more credible.

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I'm mocking you, not setting up a debate position. I don't require credibility to make a joke. Nor do I even require personal credibility to set-up an argument (especially over this topic lmao), the argument itself is the only merit required and I chose satire (a specific form of irony) as my delivery mechanism.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Maybe people have the right to post recruitment thread in any forum they want, but if the hundreds of FC had the same great idea, it will become difficult for people to figure out what is at the right place and what is not.

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Maybe, I'd worry for their reading comprehension though. Regardless, when hundreds of FC's begin doing that, let me know; until then you teeter precariously on the edge of a slippery slope. Also individuals making threads just for themselves - which there are comparatively more of than foreign FC threads - would cause far more clutter. Why not go be an angry cat lady (points for pun?) at them?

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Some threads have thousands of views, so maybe the forums are used more than you believe they are?

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Besides increasing the counter, views don't make for more clutter. Posts are the progenitors of clutter (apparently); and even though this is the busiest JP English sub-forum, it's still pitifully slow. So slow, I'm entertaining myself via you.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

And even if they were not, does it make it right to show a lack of respect (by impacting on their quality of life) towards this minority? Probably not.

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Jee whiz, I dunno what world you come from, but I certainly don't view this as a 'lack of respect' towards a minority (what minority was it that needed defending again?). I find it a tad annoying, but purely on the basis of disliking what they're selling (their philosophy) and the salesman.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Anyway, some people will understand my argument, some wont.

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Oooh is that like a trap card? By arguing with you do I exclude myself from understanding your argument? Interesting coercion tactic, a lot like shouting inb4 *insert XXX* to cut off an obvious counter argument. I assure you, I understanding your argument, it's not complex; it's based on a precarious prediction I don't agree with nor feel that, even if you were correct, it would be the end of the world. If nothing else this thread served to purpose of connecting long lost gaming lovers.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

I am not here to tell you what to do, I just wanted to raise a concern. I have said what I had to say, you are free to do whatever you want :)

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And then;

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Your FC is based on a different server, so your recruitment should stay in your dedicated server forums.

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That seems like telling someone what to do to me. Unbind S to stop back-pedalling.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

No offence intended. Good luck.

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Oh no, I didn't take offence; I'm just entirely bored enough to drag this out on account of having nothing to do or prepare for (Twins down STILL). I take enormous pleasure from pointless banter.

Look at me, defending the position of a guy I thoroughly dislike. Maybe I should re-roll a PLD (oh wait).

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

Regardless, when hundreds of FC's begin doing that, let me know

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The guy throwing his rubbish in the river is giving the same argument: "Im the only one doing it, so its not the end of the world. Call me back when everyone is doing it." Does it make it right? Probably not.

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

If nothing else this thread served to purpose of connecting long lost gaming lovers.

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If thats its purpose, maybe you could make a dedicated thread in the General Discussion. This section is common to all realms.
Or at least discuss it in your own Recruitment thread?

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Originally Posted by RapBreon

That seems like telling someone what to do to me. Unbind S to stop back-pedalling.

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I used "should" to recommend what I believe is right to do. In no possible way it is obliging someone to do it. If I was telling you what to do, I would have used "must". Basic English grammar.

I'm sorry OP that it drifted away, I just wanted to give my point of view, not start a whole discussion/argument.
I won't make this thread messier than it already is.

Best of luck.

Ah joyous, you cherry-picked rather than tackling the whole thing. I'll take it as a nod towards the rest of my arguments being rock-solid (lucky you're not a Monk, god that was lame).

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

The guy throwing his rubbish in the river is giving the same argument: "Im the only one doing it, so its not the end of the world. Call me back when everyone is doing it." Does it make it right? Probably not

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Oh lord that's such a massive false equivalence, completely ignores context of the defence. Rockets and walnuts kind of deal here. But I'll indulge for selfish reasons.

Littering is almost unequivocally considered wrong from (I assume) our perspective. Posting in another forum during transfer times is clearly more contentious (not just me as you can see), right and wrong a little more murky. The defence stands due to the context it was used in and moral grey area that permeates it (seriously can't even believe this was an issue XD).

Finally, you insinuated (I may have misread this, only thing I'm not 100% sure about, so I'm giving you an out on this), that if one person would do this, others would follow suit and we'd be swimming in badly organised forums. This is where I took issue with your half-cocked argument, it's a slippery slope, like Wet n' Wild slippery slope.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

If thats its purpose, maybe you could make a dedicated thread in the General Discussion. This section is common to all realms.
Or at least discuss it in your own Recruitment thread?

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This was an off-the-cuff comment. So I'll let you have it. Though the phrase "if nothing else" means "it was good for something" not "that is its purpose". Though I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the account of it being an Idiom (colloquial metaphor).

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

I used "should" to recommend what I believe is right to do. In no possible way it is obliging someone to do it. If I was telling you what to do, I would have used "must". Basic English grammar.

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Funnily, when someone is told they are not do something, the word should is mentioned, quite often. They are almost entirely synonymous in that context. I'll explain, the fundamental meaning of;

"You mustn't do that"

"You shouldn't do that"

Are both phrases directed at controlling behaviour (aka telling someone what to do). There is ultimately no fundamental difference besides the strength of the words (so you were less of an ass than you could've been :P). You even could've said;

"I recommend you don't post here"

It's the same thing. Merely the strength of the intent is altered, but the intent never changes. Essentially, should/must/recommend/whatever set the intensity not the intention. "Do not do that" is the intention, which is pretty damn clear in your post.

Semantics won't bail you out of that.

I admit, I foreseen that defence, but honestly didn't expect you to actually use it. Should've inb4'd it :P

As for this;

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Basic English grammar.

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While I appreciate the fighting spirit demonstrated by this delightfully snide, condescending remark (not that I can complain, I have no doubt my entire post comes off as condescending to you); you missed the mark pretty handily for it to scathe me so.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

I won't make this thread messier than it already is.

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I don't really think that was your primary or even a concern, or you wouldn't have ploughed a steam-train in here derailing it (oh man I'm lame) and then responded to me.

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Originally Posted by zirkaloy

Best of luck.

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I'm willing to wager, you don't mean this, but I don't blame you, I'm probably coming off a right twat at the moment.

Inb4 someone feels like playing daddy and tells us this argument is stupid. Yes dad, I know, but I'm bored.

Eggsuko thinks that this is stupid and requests that you go eat more eggs.

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Originally Posted by Eggsuko

Eggsuko thinks that this is stupid and requests that you go eat more eggs.

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You politely tryna tell me wot to do m8? Lets take this outside to Durotar...dun dun dun.

Some good news, Epoch has moved to Tonberry.

Anyone who would be interested in joining should contact me asap for an invite.

As previously mentioned, Coil & Relic progression is reserved mainly for FC members only. Everything else we will have no issues using Linkshells to fill.