Scholars - missing the point

Shut up. No, really, shut up.

People like you drive me nuts. There is a big difference between filling a niche and filling a role. Dmg mitigation is a niche, healing is our role. Not being able to be as effective as another class in the same role is bad design. WHM niche are regens, SCH mitigation via shields. Why then is the gap in the two classes healing kits so wide? There is no reason. None. So stop these excuses as to why one should be op and the other lacking. Have you thought of pvp? Or the larger raids we will be getting soon? No? K, shut up. Damn WHM extremists.

Scholar at level 50 the dynamics changed on me so much. It seems like we are a class that requires some knowledge of the fight before we can efficiently handle shielding people. Its definitely more challenging, especially working with a WHM. I start to panic a little when WHM's let HP fall a little more than I would. I wish I had a WHM I could train with >.< I went from being a main healer in 4 mans to having a different function in 8 mans. Only scholar undergoes so many drastic changes from a DPS , to a full healer, and eventually to something with a utility that is unlike other games. Where white mages go from healing, to healing, to healing.

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Originally Posted by Alu79

Shut up. No, really, shut up.

People like you drive me nuts. There is a big difference between filling a niche and filling a role. Dmg mitigation is a niche, healing is our role. Not being able to be as effective as another class in the same role is bad design. WHM niche are regens, SCH mitigation via shields. Why then is the gap in the two classes healing kits so wide? There is no reason. None. So stop these excuses as to why one should be op and the other lacking. Have you thought of pvp? Or the larger raids we will be getting soon? No? K, shut up. Damn WHM extremists.

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Damage prevented is the same as damage healed. If the damage occourred and you didnt suffer for it, IS the same as, the damage occourred and you got healed by the same amount. At the end the damage has passed and your health is still at the same amount.
Please dont pretend to be blind. And dont come up with "names". Be polite aswell, you are not talking with your dog.

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Originally Posted by Alu79

Have you thought of pvp? Or the larger raids we will be getting soon? No? K, shut up. Damn WHM extremists.

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Pvp will be separate and balanced separately. Larger raids? Its three 8 mans, same mechanics apply.
Healing effectivly is relative, you sacrifice certain things for dmg mitigation, effective health, (as in extra health via shields), but gain longevity via mana management and safety with almost nonexistant threat. Whether or not things need to be adjusted for pet issues and sch/sch synergy is irrelevant. The class was designed to do different things. The main reason why the "gap" is so wide is becuase it is a different class. Stop expecting every class to play the same and have the same strength and weakness and focus on the actual issues.

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Originally Posted by KomoChameleon

Aside from the double stacking of bubbles argument I feel a lot of scholars are entirely missing the point of the class. If the devs gave you equal healing to WHM's you would be incredibly OP alongside the multiple talents you already have. You are a damage mitigation role, if you don't like damage mitigation and want to heal more then go WHM.

Scholars are a great benefit and can greatly reduce damage to the team but it needs to be done BEFORE the damage hits. Also, you have abilities on your pet bar - use them, don't let the fairy cast at it's own whim. You can drastically reduce dmg incoming to the tank making a good tank healer. You have endless mana. You can spot heal the tank on the move and instantly when needed, and you can move your pet to heal the group or tank while you heal the tank or group. Who else can do that!!!!

It's a fun and amazing class and if you guys want to be a traditional reactionary based healer then I question your class choice not your class.

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I'm not asking for equal Healing, I am asking for equal opportunity of in-efficient Heals. As in stands, a Scholar has a higher probability of casting a Heal that is in-efficient because they cannot choose to Heal or to Shield. They have to do both and quite often, you don't need to. Sometimes the player is at full HP and damage is incoming, so I'd like to Shield, or in another circumstance a group of people take damage and you'd like to Heal them, but you know there won't be damage within the next 30s, so in both circumstances, you have in-efficient Heals. While a WHM can simply Stoneskin, which is better than a non-crit Adloquim or Medica I/Medica II which is better than a Succor.

What they need to do, is either increase the length of the Shield or allow for ways for a % of Over-heal to be converted to Shield.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

I'm not asking for equal Healing, I am asking for equal opportunity of in-efficient Heals. As in stands, a Scholar has a higher probability of casting a Heal that is in-efficient because they cannot choose to Heal or to Shield. They have to do both and quite often, you don't need to. Sometimes the player is at full HP and damage is incoming, so I'd like to Shield, or in another circumstance a group of people take damage and you'd like to Heal them, but you know there won't be damage within the next 30s, so in both circumstances, you have in-efficient Heals. While a WHM can simply Stoneskin, which is better than a non-crit Adloquim or Medica I/Medica II which is better than a Succor.

What they need to do, is either increase the length of the Shield or allow for ways for a % of Over-heal to be converted to Shield.

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How can a sch not choose to heal or shield? How is using physick and fairy embrace not similar to cure 2 just faster because the fairy heal is instant and goes off first, not to mention free. Granted fairy management is a pain.

And since when is stoneskin better? Its not mana efficient on a class that already has mana issues, its also a cross skill, and only really worth using on a tank.

Whm excel at raid healing, no argument there but your fairy has an aoe regen aswell, granted its a long cd but its free.

Also in-efficient healing? what? regens don't cause a ton of overhealing if used incorrectly? Regardless of options to restore health a hot can easily become an over healing threat generating issue but shields can never be inconvienent.

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Originally Posted by Eriane

How can a sch not choose to heal or shield? How is using physick and fairy embrace not similar to cure 2 just faster because the fairy heal is instant and goes off first, not to mention free. Granted fairy management is a pain.

And since when is stoneskin better? Its not mana efficient on a class that already has mana issues, its also a cross skill, and only really worth using on a tank.

Whm excel at raid healing, no argument there but your fairy has an aoe regen aswell, granted its a long cd but its free.

Also in-efficient healing? what? regens don't cause a ton of overhealing if used incorrectly? Regardless of options to restore health a hot can easily become an over healing threat generating issue but shields can never be inconvienent.

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Fairy heal is not instant, has a cast time and a 3 sec cd, and if you command the fairy to heal a specific target shift the fairy out of steady stance meaning that the first moment it gets will cast/waste its aoe hot.
WHM do not have mana issues unless the group is taking unnecessary dmg OR the WHM is using the wrong set of heals and over healing. Also, SS is actually pretty damn good, the only drawback is actually its cast time. If it were shorter I'd use it during combat.
Raid healing isn't and shouldn't be a niche, it is part of the role, this is the issue a lot of us are having with the class. It has an incomplete healing kit. Precasting Succor is one thing and it is fine for that but it is very lackluster and weak when dmg has already been dealt. Succor doesn't block much.

If you don't know what a lot of people take issue with or even the class mechanics, why comment at all?

I'm finding it just fine, teamed with a WHM and healing with my fairy.

The best way I have found of using her is in steady mode, when I need group healing I use Rouse + Fey Illumination, this gives +40% and +20% healing, then she blows Whispering Dawn automatically, (Although I wanted her to, just working with her AI) and everyone gets a HoT for 300+ a tick, totalling 2100+ for everyone over time. Its not bad. It gives me 55'ish seconds to put her back in it before she auto uses it again anyway, which I normally have time to do.

Eos needs some tweaks though, no argument from me.

WHM don't have fairies, or Aetherflow. Our stoneskin is inefficient and takes too long to cast to be useful during a fight other than refreshing on a non-tank, if there's time. We have Shroud but its cooldown is 2 minutes. WHM have no way to mitigate damage and have to be careful to not overheal because the aggro is ridiculous.

You have to consider that a SCH is not just a SCH, but a SCH + a fairy. Neither class is "OP." They're just different.

I agree with the first two posts. SCH accomplishes the same thing as WHM through different methods. What needs to change is the player's approach to using those methods if they are not successful with them.

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Originally Posted by Alu79

Fairy heal is not instant, has a cast time and a 3 sec cd, and if you command the fairy to heal a specific target shift the fairy out of steady stance meaning that the first moment it gets will cast/waste its aoe hot.
WHM do not have mana issues unless the group is taking unnecessary dmg OR the WHM is using the wrong set of heals and over healing. Also, SS is actually pretty damn good, the only drawback is actually its cast time. If it were shorter I'd use it during combat.
Raid healing isn't and shouldn't be a niche, it is part of the role, this is the issue a lot of us are having with the class. It has an incomplete healing kit. Precasting Succor is one thing and it is fine for that but it is very lackluster and weak when dmg has already been dealt. Succor doesn't block much.

If you don't know what a lot of people take issue with or even the class mechanics, why comment at all?

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There are plently of posts and forums topics on fairy management, no one is saying it doesn't need fixes, but there are scholars saying they manage to use it. Regardless it is a way to single target heal without shields.

IF is an interesting word for saying you would use a spell. If stoneskin was better i would use it too.

Whm's have plenty of mana issues, moreso IF we try to use things like "pretty damn good" spells like stoneskin.

Any healer including a sch will not have issues or as many issues if the group isn't taking unnesessary dmg and doing content they are geared for....