Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Doesn't matter what anyone here thinks. The developers will make their decision regardless of what you or I value. You're not in a position to tell me anything.

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Neither are you, bucko. You can take your hostility, strawmanning, and ad hominem attacks and go play something else since you hate it here so much. You won't be missed, nor will you miss us. The fact that you remain here just outs you as a troll.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Neither are you, bucko. You can take your hostility, strawmanning, and ad hominem attacks and go play something else since you hate it here so much. You won't be missed, nor will you miss us. The fact that you remain here just outs you as a troll.

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Wanting the game I grew to love back after feeling betrayed over learning about how bad the cheating is in the community makes me a troll. Sure thing bud.

I don't play this game to be part of any club, especially not a club of cheaters.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This game is not good enough, and not regularly updated enough for them to get away with this. It's not that successful. It's mediocre at best.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Wanting the game I grew to love back after feeling betrayed over learning about how bad the cheating is in the community makes me a troll. Sure thing bud.

I don't play this game to be part of any club, especially not a club of cheaters.

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The fact that you supposedly base the fun and love you have in and for this game on what other people are doing is just so sad lol

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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Are you mad that someone is pointing out that the game isn't successful enough to justify having such a dirty cheating community enabled in it?

"Successful enough" and "Good enough" aren't as quantifiably critical of statements as you think. The game could be so much more than mediocre, but the cheating community holds it back so much.

Like I have said, I probably love this game more than most of you. I don't have to mod it or parse to enjoy it.

@Zebraoracle I want to be able to look up to the peers doing challenging content. You remove that experience from the game. You make it some self-indulgent dishonest thing where everyone is just playing for their own experience and nothing external matters anymore. I want ultimate weapons to actually have real prestige. You want to do what you want, even if it means breaking the rules. Shame on you.

I should be meditating before my exam but here I am...

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Are you mad that someone is pointing out that the game isn't successful enough to justify having such a dirty cheating community enabled in it?

"Successful enough" and "Good enough" aren't as quantifiably critical of statements as you think. The game could be so much more than mediocre, but the cheating community holds it back so much.

Like I have said, I probably love this game more than most of you. I don't have to mod it or parse to enjoy it.

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Ok thanks for the blog post

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Ok thanks for the blog post

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Who is the troll here again?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Who is the troll here again?

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Still you, buddy. You literally wrote a blogpost LOL

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Still you, buddy. You literally wrote a blogpost LOL

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If that's what it takes to qualify as a blog post then you must have really poor standards.

Gonna ignore what I said to you? You invalidate all prestige of this game by cheating in it. What do you think that does to the feel of the world? You are a selfish cheat. I think there is a simple solution. Delete all ultimate weapons owned by anyone, implement an anti-cheat that is strict, and then the people who actually deserve their weapons will have reason to grind them again. Those who can't earn them will not get them again. World feel fixed.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

If that's what it takes to qualify as a blog post then you must have really poor standards.

Gonna ignore what I said to you? You invalidate all prestige of this game by cheating in it. What do you think that does to the feel of the world? You are a selfish cheat.

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The fact that you're just throwing out baseless accusations out is just hilarious. I sure do guess I cheated to get my TEA weapons (apparently a hrothgar hat mod is cheating guys).

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

The fact that you're just throwing out baseless accusations out is just hilarious. I sure do guess I cheated to get my TEA weapons (apparently a hrothgar hat mod is cheating guys).

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It's not about the accusations it's about what side you are standing on. I can assume as much about you if you are defending addons in this game. It doesn't matter either way, because they will probably just delete all ultimate weapons from the entire game when they introduce an anti-cheat. You will be able to get them again if you actually have the ability to do it. If not? Too bad so sad, cheaters ruined a good thing. It's not hard to undo their damage, just takes a bit of coding.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

just takes a bit of coding.

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You are gravely underestimating the amount of work implementing any kind of anti-tamper would require. A significant number of client and engine changes would be required before they could even begin to approach that kind of addition.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

You are gravely underestimating the amount of work implementing any kind of anti-tamper would require. A significant number of client and engine changes would be required before they could even begin to approach that kind of addition.

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I'm talking about wiping all pre-existing ultimate weapons. That's not hard to do at all. Just delete them and make people earn them again. The anti-cheat comes first, but solving the sabotaged world feel is a simple matter of deleting any existing ultimate weapon. Then prestige is restored. You people keep saying stuff like "why does it matter what anyone else does or how they got their loot?" because prestige depends on legitimacy.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I'm talking about wiping all pre-existing ultimate weapons. That's not hard to do at all. Just delete them and make people earn them again. The anti-cheat comes first, but solving the sabotaged world feel is a simple matter of deleting any existing ultimate weapon. Then prestige is restored. You people keep saying stuff like "why does it matter what anyone else does or how they got their loot?" because prestige depends on legitimacy.

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What you are doing here, essentially, is arbitrarily accusing every world first, and indeed every raider to have ever completed Ultimates, of "cheating" without having any way to prove it. Stripping away those weapons without proof is a surefire way to kill what few Ultimate teams there are out there. Besides, even if they are utilizing third-party tools, exactly how does this make their achievements unfair if darned near everyone else in the raiding community is also using or benefitting from them?

What you are failing to consider is that players rely on tools like ACT telling them their numbers so they can determine the correct way to play and gear their jobs. At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete. Even players that do not themselves run ACT are almost always grouped with people that do, and thus they are able to see their numbers when they get uploaded to FFlogs. The theorycrafters that provide us with so much information about rotations and stat weights are also highly reliant on tools like ACT.

Additionally, I would note that all player data gathered by ACT is already available via combat log if you want to spend twelve years sorting it out and doing absurd amounts of math.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

What you are doing here, essentially, is arbitrarily accusing every world first, and indeed every raider to have ever completed Ultimates, of "cheating" without having any way to prove it. Stripping away those weapons without proof is a surefire way to kill what few Ultimate teams there are out there. Besides, even if they are utilizing third-party tools, exactly how does this make their achievements unfair if darned near everyone else in the raiding community is also using or benefitting from them?

What you are failing to consider is that players rely on tools like ACT telling them their numbers so they can determine the correct way to play and gear their jobs. At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete. Even players that do not themselves run ACT are almost always grouped with people that do, and thus they are able to see their numbers when they get uploaded to FFlogs. The theorycrafters that provide us with so much information about rotations and stat weights are also highly reliant on tools like ACT.

Additionally, I would note that all player data gathered by ACT is already available via combat log if you want to spend twelve years sorting it out and doing absurd amounts of math.

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No, I am offering a solution to a broken world feel. Cheaters ruined prestige for everyone. It no longer exists for those who earned it without cheating. They would be able to earn it back after cheats were disabled, the cheaters would not.

You're confused.

There is no "broken world feel." The vast majority of people do not care about this one bit. A small minority is being overly vocal about it, but those same people (yourself included, from what I can tell) keep misrepresenting the facts when making their points.

Heck, even the JP player-base doesn't really care all that much about it, and they're normally the first ones out witch-hunting third-party tool users.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

There is no "broken world feel." The vast majority of people do not care about this one bit. A small minority is being overly vocal about it, but those same people (yourself included, from what I can tell) keep misrepresenting the facts when making their points.

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There is though. You can pretend it's not valid because "you don't care", but it is what it is. Prestige doesn't exist in ffxiv. The developers intended for ultimate weapons to carry prestige. You destroy their intention by "not caring." Shame on you.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

No, I am offering a solution to a broken world feel. Cheaters ruined prestige for everyone. It no longer exists for those who earned it without cheating. They would be able to earn it back after cheats were disabled, the cheaters would not.

You're confused.

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I promise you this is an entirely made up problem that you came up with yourself. I don't give two flying craps about the prestige of clearing Ultimates, I did it for the fun of it and the feeling of accomplishment. If you care so much about "prestige", why the hell are you playing an MMO that is already looked down upon by a LARGE portion of the gaming community?

Your posts reek of "FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS" and I freaking hate using that phrase.

Precisely. The people with the skill to get the job done simply do not care. The ones whining would never have been able to earn the weapons in the first place. The bloody things look awful anyway, with a handful of exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Precisely. The people with the skill to get the job done simply do not care. The ones whining would never have been able to earn the weapons in the first place.

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Obviously they care. You don't because you used cheats to get them. There is a difference. Even if only one person who earned them honestly cares, they matter more than 99.99999% of the people who "don't care" in your mind.

Nobody here is whining but you, about the scenario where your weapons are permanently confiscated because you know you can't earn them honestly. I don't have any attachment to the idea, I just want to be able to look up to the prestige again. MMO with no prestige might as well be a single player game. I want progress to mean something. This self-indulgent apathetic mentality is killing mmos.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Precisely. The people with the skill to get the job done simply do not care. The ones whining would never have been able to earn the weapons in the first place. The bloody things look awful anyway, with a handful of exceptions.

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LOL Seriously those weapons almost all look horrendous. Subjective opinion and all but damn, I really dislike them for the most part LOL.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Obviously they care. You don't because you used cheats to get them. There is a difference. Even if only one person who earned them honestly cares, they matter more than 99.99999% of the people who "don't care" in your mind.

Nobody here is whining but you, about the scenario where your weapons are permanently confiscated because you know you can't earn them honestly. I don't have any attachment to the idea, I just want to be able to look up to the prestige again. MMO with no prestige might as well be a single player game. I want progress to mean something. This self-indulgent apathetic mentality is killing mmos.

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#citationneeded

I sure do love the opinion of prestige on content from someone not doing that content.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Its cringey how almost every post you make regarding the devs is so obviously written out of contempt for them lol

Anyway, I think this maaay be a big deal if Yoshida finds out about this drama. Since Gshade was really one of the only few third party programs that can be openly talked about and they have gone on record in the past that them was an exception due to its implementation.


However the fact that the tool dev did something this malicious is just going to throw more fuel into the already on going fire with 3rd party programs with what the drama we just had with TOP. You should absolutely be considering how this will affect their stance on 3rd party even more. How about you quit acting like the devs dont matter when its their game and they're the ones who will ultimately start cracking down on everything we do because of light of this situation with a commonly used tool for the game. This is not about whether the community can handle itself, its about the attitude were expressing to the dev team whom already are getting sick and tired of dealing with our bs time and time again.

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Oh silly me for pointing out what SE and yoship keep saying every single time this topic is brought up. Install mods at your own risk, simple as that.

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We receive many inquiries regarding infection by viruses and spyware that steal passwords after downloading third-party tools and plugins. To keep your system secure, we ask that you exercise judgement and refrain from needlessly downloading third-party tools or software of unknown origins.

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Are you sure you're not mixing me up with someone again? Atmost all they need to do is say "we told you so, third party tools are a security risk". I am considering how this will affect their stance but there is more to their stance than the flailing outrage of the forum. The devteam isnt made up of tantrumming children, it's adults running a business. For this specific business cheaters arent as reputation damaging as for pure pvp games like valorant, overwatch and league as by and large they dont negatively impact players in their normal play sessions (yes I know, pvp cheaters exist but not enough people care about pvp in this game for SE to lift a finger).

In reality they are profit orientated and while the FF14 part of SE has some morals intact when it comes to monetization (as opposed to other parts of the company) there is little hesitation when it comes to mods. Yes, yoship thinks modding in gaming is overall a good thing but that doesnt stop him from sending the hammer. Which leaves us with the possibility that maybe the modding scene is overall beneficial to SE's bank accounts. Forum outrage and memes wont change that. Afterall, if people can fix their issues with the game (of which there are many) through mods they will have a better time with the game and will potentially stay subbed for longer.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I sure do love the opinion of prestige on content from someone not doing that content.

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Or even CAPABLE of doing that content

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Are you mad that someone is pointing out that the game isn't successful enough to justify having such a dirty cheating community enabled in it?

"Successful enough" and "Good enough" aren't as quantifiably critical of statements as you think. The game could be so much more than mediocre, but the cheating community holds it back so much.

Like I have said, I probably love this game more than most of you. I don't have to mod it or parse to enjoy it.

@Zebraoracle I want to be able to look up to the peers doing challenging content. You remove that experience from the game. You make it some self-indulgent dishonest thing where everyone is just playing for their own experience and nothing external matters anymore. I want ultimate weapons to actually have real prestige. You want to do what you want, even if it means breaking the rules. Shame on you.

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Just go do something else useful bro

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Or even CAPABLE of doing that content

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"Just reclear all ultimates", says the guy who thinks P3S is too hard for PF

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Unfortunately Hikari is not so wrong about stealing credit card information or hacking your computer. There are some reasons why ACT has to be started with elevated rights. And if an application has Administrator rights then it can do literery everything.


Cheers

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I'm sure you dont mean to concern troll but that really is the risk of the people installing mods and not anyone else's. It is also kind of an ironic thing to say in a thread about introducing an anti cheat software which needs even more permissions on your system, just look at valorant's anti cheat. If giving vast permissions to a program is a concern to you then you have to be against anti cheat software. The permissions given to anti cheat software in general has in the past already been exploited in the case of genshin impact's anticheat.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This mentality is actually going to kill the game. You think that it's about money, but it's really about success and legitimacy. MMOs can just die. You cheaters are killing this mmo.

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at this point you need to just stop coming on the forums or something. You coming off as a unhinge individual at this point. And since you are leaving have good one and hope you find a game that does not have mods because a decent amount of games do have mods

The only time Square Enix should add such a program to scan for plugins it when the devs for said various plugins go more invasive like the Gshade dev team did.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I'm sure you dont mean to concern troll but that really is the risk of the people installing mods and not anyone else's. It is also kind of an ironic thing to say in a thread about introducing an anti cheat software which needs even more permissions on your system, just look at valorant's anti cheat. If giving vast permissions to a program is a concern to you then you have to be against anti cheat software. The permissions given to anti cheat software in general has in the past already been exploited in the case of genshin impact's anticheat.

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It is true. I am also against anticheat software. Because it installs a Ring 0 driver/kernel module. A Ring 0 driver has way more permissions than the Administrator account. And anticheat software was already hacked:

https://www.techspot.com/news/95781-...ansomware.html


A bad programmed Ring 0 kernel module can also easily cause BSODs, it can badly interfere with antivirus software etc.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Ryvaku

The only time Square Enix should add such a program to scan for plugins it when the devs for said various plugins go more invasive like the Gshade dev team did.

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Yeaaaah, no lol. Also, GShade isn't a plugin.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Unfortunately Hikari is not so wrong about stealing credit card information or hacking your computer. There are some reasons why ACT has to be started with elevated rights. And if an application has Administrator rights then it can do literery everything.


Cheers

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The problem is he actually has zero idea how ACT works and is just throwing out wild accusations and unhinged statements.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

What you are doing here, essentially, is arbitrarily accusing every world first, and indeed every raider to have ever completed Ultimates, of "cheating" without having any way to prove it. Stripping away those weapons without proof is a surefire way to kill what few Ultimate teams there are out there. Besides, even if they are utilizing third-party tools, exactly how does this make their achievements unfair if darned near everyone else in the raiding community is also using or benefitting from them?

What you are failing to consider is that players rely on tools like ACT telling them their numbers so they can determine the correct way to play and gear their jobs. At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete. Even players that do not themselves run ACT are almost always grouped with people that do, and thus they are able to see their numbers when they get uploaded to FFlogs. The theorycrafters that provide us with so much information about rotations and stat weights are also highly reliant on tools like ACT.

Additionally, I would note that all player data gathered by ACT is already available via combat log if you want to spend twelve years sorting it out and doing absurd amounts of math.

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Noone needs ACT, if noone can clear a fight without it, awesome, square enix will keep adjusting the fight until it is at the right level and can be cleared by X amount of people.
Now if everything and everyone can clear a fight that means square will keep increasing the difficulty, in turn increasing the cheating...
They just create a fight that's impossible to be cleared normally, so they could easily ban everyone that clears it.
That is an amazing anti cheat.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Noone needs ACT, if noone can clear a fight without it

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That's not what the assumption is. No one says you need ACT to clear a fight.

I know you guys fish for attention like crazy, but holy hell there isn't even any bait on the hook at this point.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

Noone needs ACT, if noone can clear a fight without it, awesome, square enix will keep adjusting the fight until it is at the right level and can be cleared by X amount of people.
Now if everything and everyone can clear a fight that means square will keep increasing the difficulty, in turn increasing the cheating...
They just create a fight that's impossible to be cleared normally, so they could easily ban everyone that clears it.
That is an amazing anti cheat.

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You assume ACT has any impact on the difficulty of content.
Why?
Do you even know what it does?
Maybe you anti-mod fanatics would start getting some credibility if all your attention wasn't focused on the most inoffensive of the bunch. (and crying about accessibility plugins of all things) The one even Square Enix thinks isn't that much of a problem as long as it's not used as a tool for harassment.
There are zoom hacks, splatoon, cactbot, and actual botting which plagues the raid community, cheats that actually trivializes content but you can't stop talking about ACT of all things. What a sad joke.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

You assume ACT has any impact on the difficulty of content.
Why?
Do you even know what it does?
Maybe you anti-mod fanatics would start getting some credibility if all your attention wasn't focused on the most inoffensive of the bunch. (and crying about accessibility plugins of all things) The one even Square Enix thinks isn't that much of a problem as long as it's not used as a tool for harassment.
There are zoom hacks, splatoon, cactbot, and actual botting which plagues the raid community, cheats that actually trivializes content but you can't stop talking about ACT of all things. What a sad joke.

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You are the ones trying to justify one addons, on my side there are no addons, you only use official software from square.
I wasn't the one that said "At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete."
If you can't complete it its all for the best. That means eventually square will make the difficulty accessible to those that don't cheat and use add-ons.

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Originally Posted by solimiano

You are the ones trying to justify one addons, on my side there are no addons, you only use official software from square.
I wasn't the one that said "At present, endgame content is tuned in such a way that not having access to this information would in fact make it virtually, if not impossible to complete."
If you can't complete it its all for the best. That means eventually square will make the difficulty accessible to those that don't cheat and use add-ons.

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People: "Without this information being available, clearing raids will be harder."
You: "Aha! So you can't clear without ACT!"
People: "...I mean, I can just plot the Battle Chat log onto an Excel Spreadsheet. Would take more time, but essentially it's the same"
You: "B-But you said no ACT right?"
People: "Oy, world's greatest parent, do you honestly see ACT anywhere in our sentences? We're talking about the information, regardless of what organizes it."
You: "So ACT!"
People: "Bleeding hell..."

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Honestly, I'd teach my son how to read and have comprehension skills before trying to instill blind morals. Because this? It ain't it, sister.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

People: "Without this information being available, clearing raids will be harder."
You: "Aha! So you can't clear without ACT!"
People: "...I mean, I can just plot the Battle Chat log onto an Excel Spreadsheet. Would take more time, but essentially it's the same"
You: "B-But you said no ACT right?"
People: "Oy, world's greatest parent, do you honestly see ACT anywhere in our sentences? We're talking about the information, regardless of what organizes it."
You: "So ACT!"
People: "Bleeding hell..."

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Honestly, I'd teach my son how to read and have comprehension skills before trying to instill blind morals. Because this? It ain't it, sister.

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If you are putting 3 months of your personal time on an Excel spreadsheet to try and go over the logs of one battle I'll commend your effort, as soon as you use and add-on, I'll report your cheating.