No trailer at E3 LOL @ SE

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Originally Posted by Coombah

The statement referred to why things are excluded from E3 not about the rehashed information to gain new or previous players. Anyone playing or not can see the changes through the forums and lodestone. Hell look at the focus of their line up it doesn't look like XIV is even a priority so it will be interesting to see what "new players" will even get exposed to at E3. BUT AGAIN... I was referring why they made the decision to exclude elements from their presentation.

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they already told you why though
didnt you read the letter from the producer?

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Originally Posted by Coombah

The statement referred to why things are excluded from E3 not about the rehashed information to gain new or previous players. Anyone playing or not can see the changes through the forums and lodestone. Hell look at the focus of their line up it doesn't look like XIV is even a priority so it will be interesting to see what "new players" will even get exposed to at E3. BUT AGAIN... I was referring why they made the decision to exclude elements from their presentation.

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They don't want to play their Trailer wild Card yet, which is fine, as long as they give info about FFXIV 2.0 I think it will be a good thing. They still have Gamescom and PAX =).

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

they already told you why though
didnt you read the letter from the producer?

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The devs, Visual Works, Sound, PR—everyone did their part and the trailer itself was completed and ready for release at E3. But during our most recent global PR planning meeting, we came to the conclusion that the most effective way to introduce version 2.0 to the world would be with a flood of new material rather than just a trickle. Wheres the Flood? E3 would have bee a good starting point for the flood to kick off ya?

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Originally Posted by Coombah

The devs, Visual Works, Sound, PR—everyone did their part and the trailer itself was completed and ready for release at E3. But during our most recent global PR planning meeting, we came to the conclusion that the most effective way to introduce version 2.0 to the world would be with a flood of new material rather than just a trickle. Wheres the Flood? E3 would have bee a good starting point for the flood to kick off ya?

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A trailer alone =/= a flood thats why

they do not have enough info for the flood yet, when they do, within a few short months, we will get it all

at e3 however we will be getting a little info, wether you like it or not

and this was explained already IN THE LETTER, if you dont want to listen and comprehend it correctly, its not the devs jobs to come in and give you what you want when most people understood that

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Originally Posted by Coombah

The devs, Visual Works, Sound, PR—everyone did their part and the trailer itself was completed and ready for release at E3. But during our most recent global PR planning meeting, we came to the conclusion that the most effective way to introduce version 2.0 to the world would be with a flood of new material rather than just a trickle. Wheres the Flood? E3 would have bee a good starting point for the flood to kick off ya?

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Flood at E3 when alot of people won't even give it a second chance ( without a look) how can a game "Kickoff" if people don't want to look at it even?

Person to Crowd~ Hey look its FFXIV
Crowd to person~ That game? oh it failed in 2010 no need to look at it.
Person to Crowd~ but its an MMO, MMO's grow into a better game overtime
Crowd to person~ But no MMO has Failed so hard it lost 450k subs in matter of week(s)
Person~ ........

E3 isn't the most friendly of places.... and E3 is not for MMO's is for Console games mostly...

To be honest I don't blame them E3 is a western focused event and the bulk of their subscribers will always be in Japan.

Expect the "Flood" at Gamescon or TGS, still a bit dissapointed but I understand the reasoning....but damnit at least let ME watch the trailer!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

A trailer alone =/= a flood thats why

they do not have enough info for the flood yet, when they do, within a few short months, we will get it all

at e3 however we will be getting a little info, wether you like it or not

and this was explained already IN THE LETTER, if you dont want to listen and comprehend it correctly, its not the devs jobs to come in and give you what you want when most people understood that

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How do they not have enough for a flood? The client is a few months away. All the info should be there. Maybe you should look into working on your deductive reasoning a tad bit more? .. not all of it should be dropped at E3. that's a given but rehashed shit that is already on lodestone is weak. Keep up the good fight captain. Star if that's the case why would he need to go to E3 ? Esp if " allot of people don't want to look at it".... LOL great faith you have in the game :)

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Originally Posted by Doho

I can second this, the moment XI started dropping off with expansions was when I lost interest. the WoTG and mini-expansions were a huge disappointment, because there was really nothing new

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Agreed. Campaign, Campaign Ops, Dancer, Scholar, Sandworm BCNMs, Connection Storyline, Walk of Echos, Voidwatch (considered WoTG content) a new way to XP (Abyssea) a new way to kill NMs (Abyssea) a new way to award casual and hardcore players alike (Abyssea/Voidwatch) were definitely nothing new.

At all. It's almost like you never touched FFXI before. Guess what, Zilart/CoP/ToAU were nothing new by your logic too, since they also added new systems and jobs to FFXI >__>.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Agreed. Campaign, Campaign Ops, Dancer, Scholar, Sandworm BCNMs, Connection Storyline, Walk of Echos, Voidwatch (considered WoTG content) a new way to XP (Abyssea) a new way to kill NMs (Abyssea) a new way to award casual and hardcore players alike (Abyssea/Voidwatch) were definitely nothing new.

At all. It's almost like you never touched FFXI before. Guess what, Zilart/CoP/ToAU were nothing new by your logic too, since they also added new systems and jobs to FFXI >__>.

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You're misunderstanding him here.

RotZ added new jobs, nms, gear, zones(Elshimo Lower/Upper, sky) and end of storyline gave really good gear.

CoP added new nms, gear, level-capped stragies, zones (Tavnazia and surrounding, promyvions, sea) and end of storyline gave really good gear.

ToAU added new jobs, nms, gear that became staples, battlefields, zones (the entire near-east) and end of storyline gave really good gear.

WotG added jobs, open-world content that didn't require anything new, gear that rarely got used, re-skinned zones and 3 different zones (Lavaule, Fort K, Grauburg) and end of storyline gave poor gear.

The mini-expansions he's talking about are the ACP, ASA, MKD which each gave a series of quick quests to a piece of gear that, for most jobs wasn't that good while for the rest it was very good. Most players (that I know) were generally disappointed with such little content.

Then Abyssea came along and brought more re-skinned zones (along with super-easy-mode), level cap increase, abilities/spells, new job combinations, new gear that became staple because of said increase.

Voidwatch, though technically requiring the starting of WotG content, is generally considered to be its own expansion especially with more zones being utilized and more tiers being added to existing areas.

It's quite clear that ToAU was the peak of the game and then slowly started to decline, especially because of lack of real content. It picked up again with the level cap increase, as expected it would and was kind of a last-ditch effort on SE's part to save/revive the game.

Kouji definitely has it right in the long-run. "Who wants to play a [MMO] with an ending?" If SE wants to do it right this time around, they're going to have to keep it going. Non-stop adding fuel to the fire. A good way to kick this off is with said "flood of information" since that can be their new way of approaching things all around.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

The latest letter is out but still no mention of E3. Sure sounds like XIV and 2.0 will be keeping a low profile at E3. I don't expect anything more than interviews, not even artwork.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

The latest letter is out but still no mention of E3. Sure sounds like XIV and 2.0 will be keeping a low profile at E3. I don't expect anything more than interviews, not even artwork.

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e3 starts today, why should they give us any info on it today ahead of time when they are going to give info for it to us over the next few days?

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

The latest letter is out but still no mention of E3. Sure sounds like XIV and 2.0 will be keeping a low profile at E3. I don't expect anything more than interviews, not even artwork.

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While I am not expect much at e3, they did write this in the letter

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We’ll soon be releasing screenshots and videos showcasing the new graphics engine, which will be optimized to support both high- and low-end PCs. I trust you won’t be disappointed with that, nor the PS3 version.

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But we all know SE's idea on the word "soon" haha

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

e3 starts today, why should they give us any info on it today ahead of time when they are going to give info for it to us over the next few days?

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Not 2.0 Info but if it was such a big deal they would tell us to follow them or keep an eye open for 2.0 at E3. But again they just sound like it's not a big deal so im not expecting much out of their interview... hope im wrong tho'

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Originally Posted by viion

While I am not expect much at e3, they did write this in the letter



But we all know SE's idea on the word "soon" haha

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They canceled the E3 trailer till august so i don't think they will be releasing other videos before that time.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Not 2.0 Info but if it was such a big deal they would tell us to follow them or keep an eye open for 2.0 at E3. But again they just sound like it's not a big deal so im not expecting much out of their interview... hope im wrong tho'

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they dont need to hold your hand and baby you and whisper in your ear every little thing you need to do

if you were following e3, you were following it, they shouldnt have to tell you to do it

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

They canceled the E3 trailer till august so i don't think they will be releasing other videos before that time.

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Where does everyone keep hearing this til august thing?

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Originally Posted by Doho

Where does everyone keep hearing this til august thing?

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its in the new timeline if you go look at it

ah, great. thanks lol

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

they dont need to hold your hand and baby you and whisper in your ear every little thing you need to do

if you were following e3, you were following it, they shouldnt have to tell you to do it

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So advertising a E3 interview is babing pple? Wondeful logic you have there. Maybe they shouldn't even promot/talk/adverstise 2.0 and the PS3 ver at all... I mean if you follow SE and the FF series you know all about 2.0 so screw the rest ... right?

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

So advertising a E3 interview is babing pple? Wondeful logic you have there. Maybe they shouldn't even promot/talk/adverstise 2.0 and the PS3 ver at all... I mean if you follow SE and the FF series you know all about 2.0 so screw the rest ... right?

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they told us that they would "announce" 2.0 and some related info there

they dont need to tell you again

and then again
and then again
and then again, everytime someone doesnt read it and decides to ask again

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

they told us that they would "announce" 2.0 and some related info there

they dont need to tell you again

and then again
and then again
and then again, everytime someone doesnt read it and decides to ask again

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Well after they announced the cancellation of the Trailer, the press didn't give them any good feeback.... the 74 pages of comments from the community here don't show much appreciation for it either and the same goes for the japanese forums. Everyone feels left down and disappointed and the expectation are very low.

By now we would have expect some feedback from SE regarding the matter. Either by a rep response to this thread or something in the letter letting us know that even tho they cancelled the trailer, they still got good stuff to look forward to at E3. But by the way he mentioned "some 2.0" info at E3 and then just nothing at all.... no comment, nothing.... To me that just sounds like their new 2.0 info wont blow anyone's mind.


Just like they made the trailer sound like it wanst a big deal and then they cancelled it on us.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Well after they announced the cancellation of the Trailer, the press didn't give them any good feeback.... the 74 pages of comments from the community here don't show much appreciation for it either and the same goes for the japanese forums. Everyone feels left down and disappointed and the expectation are very low.

By now we would have expect some feedback from SE regarding the matter. Either by a rep response to this thread or something in the letter letting us know that even tho they cancelled the trailer, they still got good stuff to look forward to at E3. But by the way he mentioned "some 2.0" info at E3 and then just nothing at all.... no comment, nothing.... To me that just sounds like their new 2.0 info wont blow anyone's mind.


Just like they made the trailer sound like it wanst a big deal and then they cancelled it on us.

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its not supposed to blow anyones mind, at least not those of us on here who pay attention to everything so far anyway

as they sai

itl be info to announce 2.0 to the world


they are going to get word out about the games revamp to the world, not to the current playerbase, after all, we already know about it

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Ah were all at fault here! Were all whining for some reason or another! :P

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<COUGH> some of us more than others :P

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

its not supposed to blow anyones mind, at least not those of us on here who pay attention to everything so far anyway

as they sai

itl be info to announce 2.0 to the world


they are going to get word out about the games revamp to the world, not to the current playerbase, after all, we already know about it

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Hey derpy, It's not going to blow anyones mind. All the info is already out! The info is all over Lodestone, the forums, gaming sites , communities, Pod Casts, FB, Youtube, Twitter, magazines. The word is out and to use your mindset why should Yoshi babysit people when that info is already out????... That's you right? STFU :cool:

The real reason they aren't showing the trailer is this:

If they showed a trailer, they would have to reveal the release date. They don't want everyone in the gaming community to notice when they delay it until next year.

MEGATON!

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Someone translate the dev response to E3 jp thread.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Someone translate the dev response to E3 jp thread.

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it basicaly says there wont be much, but stay tuned for info

Onidemon VS Starlord is now Onidemon VS TheVedis!

Lets see how long this now dead and shredded horse can continue to be beaten up....

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Onidemon VS Starlord is now Onidemon VS TheVedis!

Lets see how long this now dead and shredded horse can continue to be beaten up....

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ive been at odds with him for ages now

im just a bit more tactful(oh hell lets be honest, alot more) then starlord

im even ashamed starlords on my server

Sweet, you should make your own thread.

Honestly though, do you guys have shout wars in Uldah, then?

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Originally Posted by Theplatter

Sweet, you should make your own thread.

Honestly though, do you guys have shout wars in Uldah, then?

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no, i harass starlord in tells, its quite amusing
its been an ongoing thing ever since he rage quit our old linkshell a year ago for basicaly what he does on here

TheVedis, yes you may be more articulate, but filling up this topic after Onidemon says something is pointless. He doesn't accept defeat. He's stuck in his life of no trailers = SE sucks. So let him post. See how many people listen. I have nothing against you or Starlord, but seeing this topic still up and about after 75 pages is ridiculous. I am guilty of that same problem by posting this, but for ****'s sake, lets complain about me being a hypocrite in another topic.

I just feel like this thread has gone on more than long enough. E3 has started - we have E3 topics up already. There's no trailer, OMFG, now just take it like a human being and go! Beating this topic beyond oblivion is useless. We have expressed our disappointment, we have expressed our rage, we have expressed our deepening disgust and hatred of SE. Now can we move onto the actual E3 instead of remaining in this delusional state of chaos this thread has descended into? It's past its expiry date; it probably expired as soon as Onidemon went all butt-hurt and negative.

Request for a dev to lock this topic. Dead horse is soon to be grounded into dust and fluff.

I don't know if anyone noticed this


http://gdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Roadmap_EN.pdf

Whats with that PDF? nothing out of ordinary.

oh it changed, i'm not sure if people got it, i forgot about it lol.

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Originally Posted by neorei

oh it changed, i'm not sure if people got it, i forgot about it lol.

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If you meant the change for advertising to August, it was mentioned in previous yoshi's letter.

Anyways...just further confirms my initial thoughts that they wanted to make an amazing video but then realized after completing it that it would spoil the current 7th umbral storyline if they released too soon.

And it's good marketing that they releasing it all in one grand chunk rather then multiple bits...which lose their punch overtime. You all can gripe about them not releasing it...but I think if they did they would be terribly not smart...since then people would expect another and another trailer...in time for 2.0 launch.

Releasing things early these days is a means for a marketing disaster...

I honestly didn't have any expectations at all...apart from just the Legacy logo to at least drum up some interest, business and revenue.

This is why we have E3, so games can be given media coverage, not to wait for game designing companies to make their own decision to not debut it and then have to do all the marketing (which we know will now be 0% chance) to resell 2.0 - missed opportunity. :-(

Even our local news here in Australia is massively timelining E3 events to the minute, to not see Final Fantasy in there at all gives me a sense that while SE might have the content available internally and have a valid reason to delay releasing information - who is going to know about Final Fantasy XIV Version 2.0 when it comes out? I really have an expectation now that SE should invest in their biggest marketing campaign since XIII/-2 otherwise the 2.0 project isn't going to take off.

And we get total lame ass excuses like "we don't want to dribble leak the information" - how else are people going to know about this product if marketing opportunities like E3 are totally abandoned? I want some f**king locals in Australia to battle with GRRR! But how are SE going to market this game to MY PEOPLE? My guessing they won't and this game will still be full of fail.[/butthurt]

Edit: I also half-blame forum people who constantly whinge request updates and features to happen instantly in patches...diverting SE away from 2.0 work.

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Originally Posted by NationOfZealots

I honestly didn't have any expectations at all...apart from just the Legacy logo to at least drum up some interest, business and revenue.

This is why we have E3, so games can be given media coverage, not to wait for game designing companies to make their own decision to not debut it and then have to do all the marketing (which we know will now be 0% chance) to resell 2.0 - missed opportunity. :-(

Even our local news here in Australia is massively timelining E3 events to the minute, to not see Final Fantasy in there at all gives me a sense that while SE might have the content available internally and have a valid reason to delay releasing information - who is going to know about Final Fantasy XIV Version 2.0 when it comes out? I really have an expectation now that SE should invest in their biggest marketing campaign since XIII/-2 otherwise the 2.0 project isn't going to take off.

And we get total lame ass excuses like "we don't want to dribble leak the information" - how else are people going to know about this product if marketing opportunities like E3 are totally abandoned? I want some f**king locals in Australia to battle with GRRR! But how are SE going to market this game to MY PEOPLE? My guessing they won't and this game will still be full of fail.[/butthurt]

Edit: I also half-blame forum people who constantly whinge request updates and features to happen instantly in patches...diverting SE away from 2.0 work.

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there two team one for 1.0 version and 2.0 version anything people request for 1.0 is worked by the first team anything people request for 2.0 it would be work by the second team.

so there not much issue in that, now about the marketing idea i have no fucking idea what SE going to do to get new players in too this game i just hope it's big or they not going to get much.