Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I just wanna wear the calfskin hat plus have new hairs. I won't post modded pictures, so have a drawing of my hroth wearing the calfskin hat instead T_T. They look so good with it omg....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...517_085114.jpg

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WOOW the drawing is so good!

But you can draw him without the ears while you‘re at ir, since the cat ears of miqo‘s got cut off and i expect the same to happen to hroths if it gets wearable.
i don‘t like to wear it because miqo‘tes look so stupid wearing it, it‘s just not really well fitted for their heads.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Problem is what is right for even male viera during EW? They most definitely aren't going to have hats.. Maybe they will release a couple unisex styles in the next couple years, or be able to use female hairs? They are being released too early, in my opinion. I was saying this just now in another thread actually.

I think we should have got our graphical update first, where races would supposedly be easier, and less time consuming to implement. It will be a gigantic shame if female hrothgar are just as limited as male hrothgar because they get released to early. Male hrothgar have so many glaring issues.. those should have been, and should be addressed before piling on the problems. MAYBE, there is a chance, that during the implementation of female hrothgar, they won't inherit male hrothgar issues, but we really don't know. All this prior to the graphical update has me concerned.

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I agree. /10chars

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

WOOW the drawing is so good!

But you can draw him without the ears while you‘re at ir, since the cat ears of miqo‘s got cut off and i expect the same to happen to hroths if it gets wearable.
i don‘t like to wear it because miqo‘tes look so stupid wearing it, it‘s just not really well fitted for their heads.

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It's criminal that they cut off miqo's ears when wearing that hat. Having them poke out would be immensely adorable.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I just wanna wear the calfskin hat plus have new hairs. I won't post modded pictures, so have a drawing of my hroth wearing the calfskin hat instead T_T. They look so good with it omg....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...517_085114.jpg

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I love this photo! Do the devs even realize how much being able to wear hats and have different hair would affect us? It’s not a small gripe.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I just wanna wear the calfskin hat plus have new hairs. I won't post modded pictures, so have a drawing of my hroth wearing the calfskin hat instead T_T. They look so good with it omg....

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That is beautiful. Great art! Kudos.

I'm not really sure when they're coming, but they did say when revealing M-Viera that they were considering holding them back until F-Hroth's were ready too, but decided to release them in the order they were completed. That sounds a lot less like "We'll work on them later." and more "M-Viera are more humanoid and simply pulled ahead." That comment makes no sense to make unless both were being actively worked on at the same time, so while they could always hold and work on F-Hroth's till 7.0 I don't think they're as unfinished as some think.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I'm not really sure when they're coming, but they did say when revealing M-Viera that they were considering holding them back until F-Hroth's were ready too, but decided to release them in the order they were completed. That sounds at lot less like "We'll work on them later." and more "M-Viera are more humanoid and simply pulled ahead." That comment makes no sense to make unless both were being actively worked on at the same time, so while they could always hold and work on F-Hroth's till 7.0 I don't think they're as unfinished as some think.

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I think it also had a lot to do with the Fanfest deadline. M Viera, being humanoid as you said, are easier to put together and probably were closer "to show" than f Hroth. Probably also spent a little more time on them just to get them ready for the Fanfest reveal.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I think it also had a lot to do with the Fanfest deadline. M Viera, being humanoid as you said, are easier to put together and probably were closer "to show" than f Hroth. Probably also spent a little more time on them just to get them ready for the Fanfest reveal.

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Wouldn't surprise me, they could have been working on them both, seen the date and realized M-Viera could actually be ready and showable and shifted gears to them. My take is they'll put most of the focus on them leading up to November but will still be working on F-Hroths in the background and once 6.0 hits, keep working on them, I'm taking them not saying anything about hats or hair as them simply wanting to get the races finished first, so I'd assume the graphical designers are all hands on deck with the missing genders now.
They could always say something contrary between now and then, but that's how I think they intend to handle it, it seems to be the plan at least.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I'm not really sure when they're coming, but they did say when revealing M-Viera that they were considering holding them back until F-Hroth's were ready too, but decided to release them in the order they were completed. That sounds a lot less like "We'll work on them later." and more "M-Viera are more humanoid and simply pulled ahead." That comment makes no sense to make unless both were being actively worked on at the same time, so while they could always hold and work on F-Hroth's till 7.0 I don't think they're as unfinished as some think.

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I agree. To ME it felt like that's what they were saying, that they simply wont be in 6.0 but could very well be released in 6.1 or w/e, when ever they are finished.
And yeah, Viera are easier to make than Hrothgar. The Hrothgar males have far more expressive and longer emotes than Viera did and at the end of the day Viera are just humans with bunny ears whereas Hrothgar have animal faces and fur patterns.

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Originally Posted by Akimori

I just wanna wear the calfskin hat plus have new hairs. I won't post modded pictures, so have a drawing of my hroth wearing the calfskin hat instead T_T. They look so good with it omg....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...517_085114.jpg

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Semi unrelated but this pic reminds me how that hat, or whoever designed it, is kinda bias. It looks good on some races but ironically on Roes, the biggest race, it's "too big"...couldn't be bother to properly scale it, so once again modders doing what they do best lol

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Semi unrelated but this pic reminds me how that hat, or whoever designed it, is kinda bias. It looks good on some races but ironically on Roes, the biggest race, it's "too big"...couldn't be bother to properly scale it, so once again modders doing what they do best lol

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I haven't seen it on a roe....now I have to go and beg my BF to try it on for me....

Edit: I have seen it and I am absolutely disgusted

Bumping this because I didn't like the idea of it being on the 3rd page.

Also, as a follow up, I did foam at the mouth/rage a bit when there was silence again about the Viera hair questions. I feel as if it isn't hard to say "please look forward to it" with this team we have. Also I filled out the feedback thing writing Viera Hair in every spot I could...it is proper feedback to let them know a percentage of the paying player base is not happy still.

Yeah I am worried beyond belief about what this means for f viera and m hrothgar. I have no faith.

Who knows, though? Perhaps f hrothgar are being held back because they are making sure they (and male hroth) don't have to use fantasia to change their hair..

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

I love this photo! Do the devs even realize how much being able to wear hats and have different hair would affect us? It’s not a small gripe.

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In the grand scheme it honestly is. :P I am for more hair and hat options do not get me wrong.

If we have to wait for 7.0 for more hair im gonna lose it

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

If we have to wait for 7.0 for more hair im gonna lose it

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I mean literally the only bonus to not having the option to have any hair they have added in-game as rewards either quest or otherwise, I get to sell on the mb....other than that, I am still miffed they couldn't bother to say anything about the current Viera in the game.

In case anyone missed it, someone posted an interview dated 01-01-2021 in another thread where he was asked about it again.

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Will Viera's hairstyle increase?

Please wait for a while for Viera Rosgal's hairstyle

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(Rosgal is how it translated it)

Same answer we've been getting all along so not very helpful because we have been "waiting for a while" already :rolleyes: but it's more recent than the art stream.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../57551645.html

I wanted to wait until after the Fanfest to see if the development team made any sort of comment on this. I'll throw my 2 cents in here.

I loved viera from the moment I played it, it's perfect for me. I was blown away when they announced male viera too, that felt like something they would never do, so to see all the fans wishes forfilled was lovely.

But I have huge concerns. To say we viera players are frustrated is probably an understatement at this point. I'm disappointed that this topic wasn't addressed in the slightest during fanfest. I really just want some sort of acknowledgement really, the longer they have constant comments about it with zero reaction, the more it seems they don't care about it.

I understood when they told us that it's impractical to adjust every single headpiece in the game to fit the new races. I was happy with the things they did adjust for us. But a whole expansion worth of new gear, with little of it suitable for us to wear, and I'm feeling a lot more jaded about it.

I feel the thing they've really not thought about is how much it actually does effect gameplay. Much of what I used to find fun in the game as been effected. Grinding for brand new hairstyles everyone is excited for, finding the perfect hat to fit the glam, none of that is relevant to us now.

Worst of all is getting cut out of events. Hearing there's a new event on, getting excited, going to see what the rewards are only to find out it's a hat that you can't wear is rediculously disappointing.

But to top it all off, is knowing that it's all completely pointless. Mods have been made that allow a player to see hats equiped on Viera and Hrothgar. Now, we all know mods are against ToS, but if you look at pictures available online, you can see that often, the fit on gear is perfectly fine. I believe the reason they've stopped some headgear on viera and hrothgar is due to clipping. I would argue that it would be much better if they let the player decide how much clipping we are happy with. Honestly, at this point, I don't care if a hat clips in a funky way. I want to wear that hat. I understand hairstyles are tricker, but we were promised our own race specific hairstyles. Given there will now be 3 groups of players cut out from new hairstyle drops, I think it's fair to put effort in to an alternative hairstyle that would fit those groups of players.

If these issues are not addressed, it encourages the use of ToS breaking mods, because the alternative is paying for another race you don't really want to play, if you want to be able to access those parts of the game you used to enjoy.

I just want the development team to acknowledge this issue. They must know about it, watch any live stream and the comments are filled with "hats and hair!", so their refusal to say anything speaks volumes. I really do feel it's a refusal, because there's no way that this topic didn't come up in the Q+A and was avoided. Please make a statement on this!

I'd like to voice my concerns as well.

Like most people, when the male Viera trailer began, my immeadiate reaction was "Oooooh hats for Viera?" While I'm happy to see male Viera and a promise for female Hrothgar, I feel like the issues facing these two races needs to be addressed.

For two years, we've been holding on to hope that we would be included in new hats and hairstyles. I was completely fine with the idea that I wouldn't be able to use older hats, but to constantly have events and gear coming out for two years and not having much to show for it is really sad. The customization by using hats and hairstyles is severely lacking, making Vieras and Hrothgars look generally the same. Once you've seen one, you've seen them all.

It's disappointing that we are potentially going into Endwalker with still no customization options for glam. I've always spending time trying to get pieces of gear or hairstyles, working really hard, and when I'm finally blessed with the item I was hoping for, being able to use it on my character. But it's not the case any more. There's no motivation for me to try to grind items I'm looking forward to or even do events with nice hats.

I was hoping this would be addressed during Fanfest, but as a Viera player, I feel unheard and ignored. I don't want to have to pay for a Fantasia to swap to another race everytime I want to use hats. I want to keep playing my prefered race and be able to use the new hats and hairstyles with everyone else.

I don't really get the work flow process or anything like that, but I think it's just easier or more efficient for the graphics team to finish the models first, and then work on head gear after the models are complete. So then they can work on male and female headgear in tandem or something. Maybe they did it this way for a reason. :confused:

After many fanfests I can say that the announcements in these are usually for completely new stuff, fuel for the hype train, meanwhile, they use the live letter and interview t give detailed information regarding new stuff and improvement over old stuff. While hats and hairstyles are important for many of you, and probably for me too as a future male bunny, I really think it just wasn't important enough to fit in the fanfest schedule.

I'm pretty sure female vieras will get new hairstyles with the expansion, may even get all the male ones if the scale between male and female is similar. About of the existing hairstyles for other races and headgear and specially the hrothgar Issue, I don't know, that's on a very different level, but at least with the addition of male viera and fem hroth in the future, we will have more ppl asking for fixes.

At the VERY LEAST, I hope hrothgar and viera get to use the unlockable hairstyles like the ones you can buy from the market board or the mogstation, that would go a long way of making the races seem less incomplete even if they still retain the exact number or hairstyles on the character creation screen as when Shadowbringers launched. But I highly suspect SE will add male viera and female hrothgar first to make sure the "base fundamentals" of the entire races have been made before they can start working on expanding their customization options.

Totally agree with everything that what was said earlier.

But let me also share my concerns:
I very happy with Male's Viera announcement but, I think Vieras and Hrothgars customization update should have been a priority!
Both races were released TWO years ago and they are still imitated. Character customization is a HUGE thing in this game and basically one of my favorite things to do. It doesn't make sense, the team keep releasing new hairs hairstyles and not update them for these two races. Also the ongoing moogle event having two amazing hairstyles to be redeemed and viera and hrothgars players not being able to use them it's just an April fool's joke.

Right now the game is actually making me play as an Elezen, which I love, but my heart belongs to the Bunny girls.
It's ridiculous, no player should pay for a fantasia in order to change their hairstyle. No player shouldn't be able to use an item that required a huge amount of hours farming. No player shouldn't be able to use an item that was bought with REAL money on the mogstation. In the end this is a payed subscription game and I think by now this should have been fixed. We are a very dedicated community and it disappoints me.

The whole silence about this topic during the fan fest was frustrating. Are they keeping this a secret because they want to surprise us? Are they keeping this a secret cuz they are actually working on it? Or are they just not speaking cuz the answer is just "No"?

Also I hope they don't come with the excuse like "We were working on Male Vieras and in this regard we didn't have time to do the update", cuz in my opinion this should have been a great opportunity to make Male and Female bunnies able to use Hat and the Hairstyles in game.

Literally the modders were able to fix the issue like what? Two weeks after SB was released... I won't ever use mods, since that's not how the game is suppose to work but how could people from the community achieve it and a professional team can't do it?

Oh well, I hope we still get a good surprise in a future live letter or in the 14 hour stream that was postponed.
If the update is bound to happen in 7.0, I'm gonna cry.

C'mon Yoshi P and XIV team, makes us happy!!

Thank you for hearing me uwu <3 <3

What I do not get is why aren't Viera able to use the normal Hairstyles?
Their ears are in a similar position to Miqote ears so why?

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Originally Posted by Elecrom

What I do not get is why aren't Viera able to use the normal Hairstyles?
Their ears are in a similar position to Miqote ears so why?

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Probably because Miqote hairstyles have the ears baked into them.

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

If we have to wait for 7.0 for more hair im gonna lose it

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Which is perfectly understandable, but to be fair, ppl waiting for female hrtogar have had to wait for 2.5 years already and if they come out in 7.0 that's gonna be 5 years of waiting, so I would perosnally encourage them to release female hrotgar first, and once the races and their genders are released then work on hairstyles/headgear and then finally more customizaiton options across the board

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Originally Posted by Yencat

In case anyone missed it, someone posted an interview dated 01-01-2021 in another thread where he was asked about it again.



(Rosgal is how it translated it)

Same answer we've been getting all along so not very helpful because we have been "waiting for a while" already :rolleyes: but it's more recent than the art stream.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/umadori0726/.../57551645.html

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They also pretty much said the same thing in regards to male viera/female hrothgar. So, anything is possible, we might get some EW (or not). It does feel like female viera are forgotten though, like they'd rather not hear them brought up altogether.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Which is perfectly understandable, but to be fair, ppl waiting for female hrtogar have had to wait for 2.5 years already and if they come out in 7.0 that's gonna be 5 years of waiting, so I would perosnally encourage them to release female hrotgar first, and once the races and their genders are released then work on hairstyles/headgear and then finally more customizaiton options across the board

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We were promised hairs well before female hrothgar. Female hrothgar can wait, frankly.

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Originally Posted by Elecrom

What I do not get is why aren't Viera able to use the normal Hairstyles?
Their ears are in a similar position to Miqote ears so why?

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Miqo'te ears are positioned further back on the head and spaced further apart than Viera ears, so some hairstyles with a braid or a hairband would "clip" under the ears unless they modified the hairstyle.

But there's not a majority number of hairstyles that would have such issues, it seems their priorities are/have been elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Which is perfectly understandable, but to be fair, ppl waiting for female hrtogar have had to wait for 2.5 years already and if they come out in 7.0 that's gonna be 5 years of waiting, so I would perosnally encourage them to release female hrotgar first, and once the races and their genders are released then work on hairstyles/headgear and then finally more customizaiton options across the board

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Sure, but waiting for an entirely new racial model that was before the most recent Fan Fest a solid maybe isn't quite the same as waiting for hairstyles that were definitely coming if we waited just a little bit longer, is it?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Which is perfectly understandable, but to be fair, ppl waiting for female hrtogar have had to wait for 2.5 years already and if they come out in 7.0 that's gonna be 5 years of waiting, so I would perosnally encourage them to release female hrotgar first, and once the races and their genders are released then work on hairstyles/headgear and then finally more customizaiton options across the board

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You'd think that. But now male viera are coming, the voices asking for anything for Hrothgar will be so muffled that they will get away with releasing female hrothgar literally however many years in the future they want.
Hell I won't be surprised if they give viera more hair/headgear options without giving Hrothgar as much, if any.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You'd think that. But now male viera are coming, the voices asking for anything for Hrothgar will be so muffled that they will get away with releasing female hrothgar literally however many years in the future they want.
Hell I won't be surprised if they give viera more hair/headgear options without giving Hrothgar as much, if any.

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I don't know about that, it doesn't have to be such a "FU, got mine" situation for everyone.

Viera at the very least seem easier to work with than Hrothgar by design, but we can still keep the thread going until they actually address both races beyond adding the counterparts.

I think it’s possible they may work on fixing viera leading up to EW, at least insofar as giving them more hair or working them into the existing hair system, as there is no reason they should not have been included before. Having “completed” the race with the male counterparts, as well as making the decision to release the other genders as they were ready instead of rushing to slap stuff together for a double release, leads me to believe they will have more time to focus on getting it right this time around.

It would make sense that they fix vieras entering EW since we are having the "Full Race" and as we can tell they have the same model.
Female Hrothgar can actually wait, yes. They were never promised tho! on the other hand... hairstyles and hats have been promised...

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

We were promised hairs well before female hrothgar. Female hrothgar can wait, frankly.

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This I agree with 100%. Don't get me wrong, I am happy about male viera. So many people wanted it, how could you not be happy? But the problem lies in the completely unfinished state of the races already released in ShB. Fix those first, as a priority, before adding to what needs doing.

It's for this reason, as well as the silence on the issue, that I fully believe they intend to leave viera and hrothgar races as is.

People can wait if they are given some hope of what is to come and I think alot of players in this thread has said that they just want to know it it is in future plans to give us what was promised. I believe we will get new hairstyles but with each expansion, sadly.

Could be that they are waiting until they have whatever solution ready to go before saying anything. I don’t agree with everything in games having to be this huge surprise but it’s just the way the industry is for the most part.

Personally, I tend to look forward to something more when I know what to expect. The only exception is story, obviously.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

People can wait if they are given some hope of what is to come and I think alot of players in this thread has said that they just want to know it it is in future plans to give us what was promised. I believe we will get new hairstyles but with each expansion, sadly.

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I was looking forward to May for months. I wasn't expecting anything really, definitely wasn't expecting male viera, I was hoping to see a tease for female viera and male hrothgar updates. The ones they said they were gonna do: hairs, and new faces/heads for male hrothgar. I had been saying for months, I would switch back immediately if they announced something, because then I would have something to be happy about playing viera. Looks like I switched back regardless, but I digress. Hopefully leading to EW we see something.

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

People can wait if they are given some hope of what is to come and I think alot of players in this thread has said that they just want to know it it is in future plans to give us what was promised. I believe we will get new hairstyles but with each expansion, sadly.

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That's all I want to! Say in the next live letter, a quick note to say we've heard you, we understand, we are still working on it and it's coming in XYZ or some form of estimate. I suspect the next thing we'll hear about it though, is that with release of male viera, and with the team not working at full capcity because of covid (completely understandable), they don't have the resources for it anymore. But then I don't understand why they'd put the resources into adding another player model to the game that'll require fitting and adjustments for every new piece of gear, and so increasing the amount of work needed for new gear over all.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

That's all I want to! Say in the next live letter, a quick note to say we've heard you, we understand, we are still working on it and it's coming in XYZ or some form of estimate. I suspect the next thing we'll hear about it though, is that with release of male viera, and with the team not working at full capcity because of covid (completely understandable), they don't have the resources for it anymore. But then I don't understand why they'd put the resources into adding another player model to the game that'll require fitting and adjustments for every new piece of gear, and so increasing the amount of work needed for new gear over all.

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Thats what I keep thinking for myself...why add on to your workload when you still have work that is unfinished. Its great that M. Viera are becoming a thing, but that doesn't do *ANYTHING* for F. Viera...same goes for F. Hroth not doing anything for M. hroth. THey'll also more than likely be released half finished too which is just ?????

I see the argument about "why do male viera when the female are incomplete?" a lot, it's not entirely wrong, but as a developer I can tell you that it's easier to revisit all the hats when you are already revisiting all the armors in game, it's a chance to add "adjust 50 hats for f and m viera" to a schedule that is already forcing the worker to do something similar, same happens with hairstyles, in this line of work a correct workflow can reduce the workload a lot.

I think cash shop items should be a must and a priority over regular obtained in game items in term of wearable head-gear for Viera and Hrothgar. They need the cash-shop hairs as well as their own unique ones. I kind of think they will get something but nothing great. It will be either super awesome if they do OR really meh in terms of updates for them. I was a viera for about two months because the hairstyles were not good. Fran, Mjrn, Jote and the Viera from the XII cutscene of Rabanastre should be options to choose from. Not hairstyles "sort of like" the ones I wanted. Another thing, is I wish the Hrothgar were never introduced as I would rather be a tall-standing Ronso. Not an awkward standing beefcake with a joke of a kitten tail. I think there should be a hair/item design specifically for Viera and Hrothgar after the female Hrothgar is properly introduced so that she is not left out- which seems a long time away but I feel that it would be worth it. It could just be a case of wanting both gender models out before any real changes were made, but a word from any of the developers during a live letter would be super nice. I'd go Viera in a heartbeat if that was the case.