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Hey, I cleared titan ex at lvl 50 with 400 ping (New Zealander here) So surely 100ping can't be that bad.

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Originally Posted by cakesphere

Ping on the east coast is borderline unplayable even with a VPN. Why on EARTH did they move it to west coast rather than central? I thought for sure it was going to end up in Chicago :(

Went from approx. 50ms using WTFast to 89ms. Without WTFast I'd be over 100ms. Thanks for nothing SE. Guess I won't be playing BRD anytime soon.

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Oh you poor dear....

Talk about first world problems....

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Originally Posted by Zojha

They are going to do it, but with a twist - See the "Fighting Congestion" post for reference.

They're gonna make new EU servers, then allow free transfer there. You're not going to be allowed to choose. The same will happen in other data centers as well, from what it appears.
Though I'd laugh if that was only within the same data center.

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That's already laughable that they're locking us to DOA servers for Stormblood.. But then again, moving the NA server to CA was already idiotic so I should've seen that coming.

I am very happy with the move. I live in South East Texas and was getting 75 ms previously but was routing through the Level 3 bottleneck. Every single day I experienced packet loss which caused my mudras to mess up. I would push a mudra once and it would cast two or three times resulting in a bunny. Sometimes my combos would mess up as well. As a black mage, my ice never regened my mana and I had to wait a good 6 seconds for it to have its effect. Now I am experiencing 68 ms and have zero packet loss and none of the problems above. I can instantly summon my chocobos and retainers as well.

I haven't noticed any difference yet.

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Playing on Behemoth btw, I guess it hasn't updated on the forums yet

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Originally Posted by savageink

That's all the individual nodes in the system trying to slowly correct their information. I wouldn't be surprised if the traceroute went to the International Space Station...

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Very few people realize it will take time for all the routing tables to adjust to the new location and settle on efficient routings. I think some believe that SE can magically adjust that from the first moment they go live. The reality is that it will take time for DNS to fully propagate, and routing tables to adjust on all the various trunk nodes that people use without realizing it.

Now sitting at around 180-200 when I used to be 110 or so.

I've not yet tried an instance but already I've got a feeling of dread I'll be unable to play properly with friends in raids now.

I didn't want to believe this would screw us over, but it looks like it has.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I have 103 ping now and the only noticeable difference is slight lag when trying to fit two oGCDs between one GCD. Like, if I want to do the triple Fell Cleave opener inside a berserk window and still put up Fracture, I need to hit Berserk almost immediately whereas before I could delay in my a second or so. It sucks, but it's something most can adjust to.

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Although a very low latency might allow a second oGCD between GCD I don't honestly believe that was intended and you were all just very fortunate to be able to do that. Ama crying about it being unplayable because now they cannot squeeze in a second oGCD in between GCD is just ridiculous.

My two cents is that Ama is, as usual, going way overboard on the hyperbole. But also, as usual, there are a couple of worthwhile nuggets to pay attention to.

The main issue with this move isn't the ping spike for some players; it's the unnecessary ping spike. Given the existing population distribution (Japanese / Oceanic players on Japanese data centres, NA and some EU on the NA data centres), it makes absolutely zero sense to relocate to the west coast, particularly without a free transfer period. It'll place unnecessary strain on the existing Oceanic community, as some will want to split to the newly-viable NA location while others won't. It'll place unnecessary strain on EU players who have been on the NA data centres up until now, because their ping just went from decent to kind of bad. And to top it all off, it will do nothing to equalize access for people in North America - because it's still on a f**king coastline.

Is it the end of the world, as Ama is suggesting? Of course not. Was it avoidable? Sure. Were there better options? Well, barring some unforeseen explanation on SE's part, yeah, there were far better options - Chicago, Denver, Dallas, etc. Pick one.

At the end of the day, this reminds me a lot of Ama's post about inventory space, which was similarly overblown and ridiculous. Inventory space is not a huge problem in FFXIV, but it is an issue - and SE, as usual, committed several unforced errors to worsen the situation (no currency tab for the Beast Tribe crap, criminal neglect of the Armoire, etc.). While the situation is certainly isn't dire, it's hard to overlook the fact that, were it not for SE's stupidity, it could be so much better. And that's precisely what's so frustrating about this server move - it could have been so much better, save for SE being SE.

- Primal, Aether, and Chaos used to all be in the same location
- When the split was announced, there was NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that NA's data center would eventually be moved.
- When Chaos was moved to EU territory, players were offered a free transfer OUT of Chaos. You still had to pay to transfer INTO it.
- SE was cagey about the NA move, only saying that some groups would see their ping increase. People hoped it wouldn't be Cali since it would still be feasible for them to play if the servers were in a more central location
- We only found out at the 11th hour that EU players are shafted. They either have to move to Chaos and lose all the friends they made or suffer with extremely high ping. This is NOT FAIR to them at all.

The move is done. It's financially impossible for them to pack it all up and go somewhere different now. But SE should do a much better job of communicating to players about how they will be affected by major changes like this.

Im from germany. and had around 110ping - Montreal
Now I has around 180-200 from Sacramento and I actually dont notice any difference o__o

I spammed Mudras as Ninja + played there rotation. Did a Dun Scaith.
Everything was like usual. o:

I hope many other people can still play too!

I have a character on a NA server, I don't know what I was before but I'm at 180-190ms.

On Odin where I main I'm at around 40-60ms.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Im from germany. and had around 110ping - Montreal
Now I has around 180-200 from Sacramento and I actually dont notice any difference o__o

I spammed Mudras as Ninja + played there rotation. Did a Dun Scaith.
Everything was like usual. o:

I hope many other people can still play too!

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My concern is high end raiding where it is much more restrictive, a FC mate told me that kind of ping is a bit of a killer.

I was playing with 110 since release back on aug. 2013! O_O
Now I has 180ping and surprisly its like 97% nearly the same!

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Originally Posted by Mature

And let's NOT forget, on EU is not just about moving freely to any given server we have a HUGE language barrier(EU is not all English (English is a fraction of it, we have french German Spanish Italian Greek Arabic etc etc)this is ANOTHER reason why some EU people (birtish)mainly decided to stick on a NA server.

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with all due respect to such circumstances as leaving houses, gil or long-term friendships behind....THIS is by far the most idiotic reason I've seen this far.
It may come as a surprise to you but most of Europe isnt exactly on bad terms with proper school education and....rumor has it that its mandatory for people
to learn english in school! I know, real shocker there.

Some specific folks (looking at you, germans and french people) do have a tendency to be bad with english because theyve been spoiled all their life with
getting exclusive servers for their own kind and generally having translations available so they never felt the need to "git gud" with english.
Sucks. HOWEVER, luckily for the rest of us, there are inofficial german (-> Shiva) and french (-> Moogle) servers, since these people stick mostly to their own.
So you wont even hear much from them or be bothered with it because: You can just transfer to any other EU Server that is NOT Moogle/Shiva. Wow, amazing!

Now, in all seriousness: Coming across people who dont speak any english at all seems to be the exception. They exist,but you wont notice them much.
They will MORE THAN LIKELY not be in an fc with you, they will not randomly engage in a conversation with you...and if you meet them in DF, its still fine 95% of the times
as there wont be any needed communication.

Also, how is language barrier so different on NA? I heard theres plenty of mexican/south american players. Pretty damn sure some of these people dont speak english.

So please, dont make language barrier your excuse. It is NOT.


sincerely,
a non-native english speaker

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Originally Posted by Lirion

I have a character on a NA server, I don't know what I was before but I'm at 180-190ms.

On Odin where I main I'm at around 40-60ms.

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Do you have Odins IP?

Went from 100 to 185. Tested the game a while and it feels sluggish but is still playable. Sometimes abilities I press aren't responsive such as Fester and anything to do with Carbuncle/Garuda. I'm hoping in the future they will consider putting pet commands client side to improve response like they did for Ninja mudras. As they weren't wildly great to begin with, but worse now.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Very few people realize it will take time for all the routing tables to adjust to the new location and settle on efficient routings. I think some believe that SE can magically adjust that from the first moment they go live. The reality is that it will take time for DNS to fully propagate, and routing tables to adjust on all the various trunk nodes that people use without realizing it.

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Routing tables won't change. IP block assigned to the servers was set up long before the servers were migrated. DNS doesn't matter.

My latency doubled. This move location was...incomprehensible.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Well, I am on Ragnarok and the vast majority speak English including people who are from other countries.

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I used to be on Ragnarok. I remember lots of japanase in french in the chat.

I started to play FFXIV on the very first day of the alpha. So don't you - Jetstream_Fox - dare to tell me it is my fault. There WERE NO EU servers, nor NA servers when i started. There were no EU servers when i switched to Goblin to play with friends from FFXI that i have known for years. And when EU servers came up i had a history of many years with lots of US ppl i care for. I could have switched to EU but good friends over a ping that was absolutely ok? My friends were more important. If ping only counts for you and you do not care about the ppl you spend your time with: totally fine for you, totally fine for me but don't tell me that i made the wrong decision. Nobody knew that EU servers or a NA move would come in the future when i started.

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Originally Posted by KuraiKiserogeru

Do you have Odins IP?

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Acodring to ARRstatus it's 195.82.50.9 I'm getting 195.82.50.44 when I check my TCP Connections with the game running.

Wow, this is probably Final Fantasy XIV's biggest screw up since 1.0 version.

I thought they would have thought out the best course of action with the data center move, but it seems like they didn't care about where the chips fell.

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Originally Posted by Lirion

Acodring to ARRstatus it's 195.82.50.9.

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I wasn't sure if that was correct. At the minute I can't ping Primals IP. Thank you.

They...um...don't really care. You're complaining to a brick wall.

This move just ruined me completely. I was getting 90-110ms ping when the server was back at montreal, now its 245ms ping. During a tracert it seems that the packet is being redirected to Amsterdam THEN going back to where its supposed to go. Without any kind of tunneling service (mudfish) the game is completely unplayable. Thanks a lot SE. Now im even considering if its worth playing anymore.

Every complainer here do sound like a spoiled child, though...

EU players had far worse ping than "116, thanks SE, you ruined my life ;-;"until HW, including when the servers were a mess at launch (as somebody mentioned, Titan EX with 350+ ping, yay), and yet, we didn't make such a fuss...

I still have 110 ping on EU servers, and guess what ? I can play just fine... I can double weave just fine... So basically...

Git gud.

Or, the more plausible theory is that you're just noticing slight changes because you want to think these changes are here... It's a psychological bias. So choose. Either most of you imagine that change, either you're too slow, and the game was just helping you until then...

My ping went from 65-68 to 103-105. Not a huge increase... but enough to annoy me.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

Well SE warned you at least that it's going to be bad. It's not easy to move to an EU server if you have house and friends but at least after the EU servers moved in Europe you stayed there with your own will and accepted the consequences.
This is what it is and nothing can be done about it.
Anyone playing on the NA servers from EU should seriously and I mean seriously consider to move to an EU server.
If you don't want to move due to friends then you have to accept the consequences it will have to your connection.
As for the housing a new housing area will open soon.
Now is the chance to move.

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yeah sure now is the chance to move, i was just waiting for an occasion to give SE more money as a reward for screwing me so i can move lose my static, friends, house and money, that's truly a service worth paying for

I got 90/100ms before the move, I now get 200/210ms from the UK with no tunnelling service. I suppose it'll be bye bye Gilgamesh soon for me :(

As someone who played xiv for 3 years on japan servers from ohio before moving to excalibur, i'm not too worried about the change lol.

I find the OP's statements insulting and toxic to the community.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Very few people realize it will take time for all the routing tables to adjust to the new location and settle on efficient routings. I think some believe that SE can magically adjust that from the first moment they go live. The reality is that it will take time for DNS to fully propagate, and routing tables to adjust on all the various trunk nodes that people use without realizing it.

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What's your estimation on time required?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Although a very low latency might allow a second oGCD between GCD I don't honestly believe that was intended and you were all just very fortunate to be able to do that. Ama crying about it being unplayable because now they cannot squeeze in a second oGCD in between GCD is just ridiculous.

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Actually, double weaving is apart of optimizing your rotation. Dragoon's opener, for instance, has you Heavy Thrust (Battle Litany + Internal Release) before hitting Leg Sweep. As for Warrior, I've been do the triple Fell Cleave under Berserk for a while. That being said, Ama is just whining as per usual. :p

I know Hetchy :/ But i refuse to stay silent even though it is wasted time :)

When people lamenting 200 ping, they were being turned down and slapped in face they just have to "git gud" and game is perfectly playable at 200 ping.

Now, some of those "200 ping is ok" people gets their own from 10 to 100, and now crying the game is unplayable with 100 ping.

I'm not impressed.

When the move was announced I was begging this wouldn't be in Cali and instead somewhere like Texas or something, look where it is now!

I've been playing this morning and haven't noticed a difference. Decided to check my ping and it is 120ms.

If I didn't check these forums I would not have ever known I have an unusable ping and should quit the game...

Not to be insensitive, but as someone who plays from Hawaii, it's hard to imagine complaining about 100ms.

I have played game for over 2 years with a ping of 330+ and now its 31 my ping. Never had to much trouble other than thinking your out of aoe attack and still get hit sometimes by it.

This game can be played at 200ms, that's why the Global coldown is so high. I play on 80ms, with some spikes on 120-150ms. I have no problems.