So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

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Originally Posted by Ryannex

Ugh... I really, really don't want Samurai. I just don't see how it will add anything unique or different to the game. A sword-wielding tank. Woohoo.

There were so many other options for a UNIQUE class. Think of a beast master tank, where the pet is the tank (like a glorified titan Egi that works), blue mage has to be hit by abilities to learn them hence fitting a tank role, a dancer that uses tp to heal instead of mp, etc...

I just don't see how Samurai can add anything new tactics wise at all. Dark Knight uses MP and that was the major thing there. Samurai will use a sword and TP like two of the tanks we already have. Boring.

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If it would even be a tank at all, could be a DPS. Then again in XI, SAMs had the ability to greatly increase their evasion and had the highest parry skill in the game. This could be the style they would have if tank here, Third Eye being the tank stance.

It will be such a disappointment if SAM is the next job :/

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Originally Posted by Ryannex

Ugh... I really, really don't want Samurai. I just don't see how it will add anything unique or different to the game. A sword-wielding tank. Woohoo.

There were so many other options for a UNIQUE class. Think of a beast master tank, where the pet is the tank (like a glorified titan Egi that works), blue mage has to be hit by abilities to learn them hence fitting a tank role, a dancer that uses tp to heal instead of mp, etc...

I just don't see how Samurai can add anything new tactics wise at all. Dark Knight uses MP and that was the major thing there. Samurai will use a sword and TP like two of the tanks we already have. Boring.

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Who's to say it's even going to be a tank? I recall an interview where Yoshi-P said he'd like to see SAM as a DPS job. Two new DPS jobs for this expansion will not break the game as many people think it will. So, the roulettes will be a bit slow for a little while, but alot of people will go back to their mains after leveling them or at least checking them out.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

If it would even be a tank at all, could be a DPS. Then again in XI, SAMs had the ability to greatly increase their evasion and had the highest parry skill in the game. This could be the style they would have if tank here, Third Eye being the tank stance.

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I doubt they'd release two dps classes for the sake of queues, so I'm definitely inclined to say it would be a tank. Parry/Evasion doesn't really sound like an interesting 'feature' to me, as parry is pretty irrelevant in game anyway. It'd be similar to adding a water mage that uses water magic in a game where there are no elemental resistances.

It's Samurai.. If you put a U between Sam Raimi's name - Samurai. If you say Sam Raimi's full name in one go correctly. It sounds like Samurai.

I do love the replies of "The job shouldn't be Samurai, 'I' don't want it, 'I' don't like that, 'I' wanted something else". What about the people wanting this to truly be Samurai?

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Originally Posted by TarynH

He also kind of shot down the wild speculation of Sam Raimi, by saying Spider-man had more than one director.

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I don't think the Sam Raimi thing is legit, but let's be clear: He didn't shoot down the idea, he just said just said that there have been multiple directors. Until the new job is announced officially, they're not going to confirm or deny anything. If someone had asked Yoshida about the 007 shirt saying, "James Bond is known for his use of guns and gadgets, is the next job related to that?" Yoshida might have responded, "Oh, but he's also known for his skills of seduction and enjoyment of martinis, isn't he?"

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Originally Posted by Ryannex

Ugh... I really, really don't want Samurai. I just don't see how it will add anything unique or different to the game. A sword-wielding tank. Woohoo.

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Just because you lack the creativity to envision unique mechanics/abilities for it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Also, beastmaster tank where the pet is the tank is an impossibility and will never happen.

We'll probably get dancer...Just gotta see if this will be our new actual pure meele dps, some kind of monk variant(they did say they'll revamp the classs sistem after all).

Or our first..melee suport that heals by hiting shit?

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Originally Posted by Ryannex

*Accuses me of being unimaginative because I can't envisage unique mechanics/abilities in terms of Samurai
* States beast master is impossible

Lol

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Because unlike you simply stating that SAM is "boring" there's actually knowable issues with creating Beastmaster as a tank, particularly one where the pet does the tanking.

It's not that it can't be done, it's that it has far too many issues that will make it entirely too difficult to create and balance and so it won't be done. There's a difference and if you can't see it than that's on you.

Beastmaster could work as a tank, but absolutely not as one where the pet actively does the tanking unless it's in an abstract way as in damage the BST takes is redirected to the pet's HP pool, in which case the pet is technically tanking the damage. Even that concept however comes with some huge potential issues that can be entirely game breaking. I guarantee you I can shred whatever ideas you could put forward to have a beastmaster where the pet actively tanks.

It doesn't matter what jobs they release for the new jobs it will affect que times. When drk was released everyone was levelling that, as a result dps class's que times got a lot shorter if I remember correctly you que'd within a few mins. What ever jobs are released everyone will be trying to level those which will affect que times until the newness of them wears off.

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Originally Posted by Ryannex

I gave reasons as to why I believe a Samurai will be, yes, boring, but if you can literally contradict yourself in the space of two sentences such as in your first response to me, then I'm certain reading back will also be too much of a brain-hassle.

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Not a contradiction which I've explained, but okay, we're done here.

On Dancer I have this theory the Devs don't want Dancer as a class. Maybe they think ot would be hard to balance. Maybe they are meeting us halfway with all the dancer-like clothes and dances.


Nothing I know or don't know. Just my feeling and vibe on it.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

On Dancer I have this theory the Devs don't want Dancer as a class. Maybe they think ot would be hard to balance. Maybe they are meeting us halfway with all the dancer-like clothes and dances.


Nothing I know or don't know. Just my feeling and vibe on it.

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Yep, everything is possible at this point XD....The chick of the trailer dont look nor fight like your average monk tough, using her clothes as a weapon. But then again she might be a totaly diferent thing from a dancer.

With the revamp of the class sistems they anounce will add more jobs for curently classes, as in dancer being a new job for pugilist? (with a lore similar to capoeira, where slaves on brazil develpoed a martial art disguised as a dance?) All we can do is speculate at this point XD.

Wow, look at the length of this thread. Coming soon: Samurai.

It is coming. So move along, citizen. Nothing more to see here.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Two new DPS jobs for this expansion will not break the game as many people think it will. So, the roulettes will be a bit slow for a little while

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there is not much problem if they add both DPS in middle expansion where ppl are already max leveland they dont have much to do, but ninja was release and we all know what happen.

now think in a expansion from the start, with 2 new DPS, not only normal DPS, 2 extremly popular DPS, this go to make a lot of ppl from all roles go to taste the new jobs, of course some go to level they mains first and others like me for example when 3.0 comes i take the DRK from the begining to the end.
this means less TANK and HEALERS by default with means queues with a lot of more waiting time in new dungeons and primals affecting the progress of a lot of players.

its dont go to be the end of the world but go to be a shot on the feet for the start of stormblood until the we recover (or not) minimun the actual number of tank and healers, and can be months.

Everyone gets caught on the pet tanking when it comes to beast master but if the pet is a part of you (as in the weapon, no more than buttons and commands) then technically it is still a beast master with no delay or lag like in Summoners/Scholar pets. Least that is how I see getting around the whole deal or worry, the new weapons simply being a new pet or the chain/link that binds you to the pet. Like stance wise when the weapon is out the pet is in front and on guard/ready where as put away he/she walks by your side like a loyal pet.

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Originally Posted by Neiker

With the revamp of the class sistems they anounce will add more jobs for curently classes, as in dancer being a new job for pugilist? (with a lore similar to capoeira, where slaves on brazil develpoed a martial art disguised as a dance?) All we can do is speculate at this point XD.

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They aren't ever going to do branching jobs, that's been 100% confirmed. It isn't speculation. With the nightmare of balancing issues around SCH and SMN, the devs have said "NEVER AGAIN."

The only "revamp" is how the cross class skills are accessible. Instead of each job only have 2 sub classes to pull cross-skills from, it's going to be by role. Example: A Dragoon can only pull from PUG and WAR. In the new system, they'll be able to pull from other relevant dps jobs. Like say Rogue, since nothing can at the moment, therefor they would be able to theoretically cross class Goad.

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Originally Posted by shao32

there is not much problem if they add both DPS in middle expansion where ppl are already max leveland they dont have much to do, but ninja was release and we all know what happen.

now think in a expansion from the start, with 2 new DPS, not only normal DPS, 2 extremly popular DPS, this go to make a lot of ppl from all roles go to taste the new jobs, of course some go to level they mains first and others like me for example when 3.0 comes i take the DRK from the begining to the end.
this means less TANK and HEALERS by default with means queues with a lot of more waiting time in new dungeons and primals affecting the progress of a lot of players.

its dont go to be the end of the world but go to be a shot on the feet for the start of stormblood until the we recover (or not) minimun the actual number of tank and healers, and can be months.

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At Heavensward's launch, DRK was the most popular job being played, so much so that Tank queue times were extremely long, and they started at level 30. It was like that for about a month. Progressing was difficult but not impossible. People will play the new shiny job, get bored of it or quickly max their levels. Then they will return to their main jobs. It will not be the end of the world or 'a shot in the feet.'

It means Blue Mage of course!

http://i.imgur.com/BRmGk0i.jpg

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Everyone gets caught on the pet tanking when it comes to beast master but if the pet is a part of you (as in the weapon, no more than buttons and commands) then technically it is still a beast master with no delay or lag like in Summoners/Scholar pets. Least that is how I see getting around the whole deal or worry, the new weapons simply being a new pet or the chain/link that binds you to the pet. Like stance wise when the weapon is out the pet is in front and on guard/ready where as put away he/she walks by your side like a loyal pet.

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That would be the Morpher!

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Morpher (めたもる, Metamoru?) is a job from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Only for the nu mou, Morphers take the forms of captured monsters in the Monster Bank. When morphed, they can use all of the abilities the monster has in battle. The effectiveness of the Morpher will depend on the stats of the monsters in the bank.

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Actually I liked how you had to use cross class abilities to capture the monsters! Only Hunters could.

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For a Morpher to learn anything, they need to procure souls that are dropped by captured monsters. Hunters are the only class that can capture monsters, so it is crucial for the player to have one if they plan on raising a Morpher. Once a monster is captured, its Soul is automatically added to the inventory and then is able to be equipped to the Morpher.
Once a monster is in the Monster Bank, the player can then start raising it by feeding it items.

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If they really are putting samurai in for SB and we already have ninja, what job will be the headliner for the inevitable expansion when we visit doma? Since thats the Eorzea equivalent of an Eastern land and all.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they really are putting samurai in for SB and we already have ninja, what job will be the headliner for the inevitable expansion when we visit doma? Since thats the Eorzea equivalent of an Eastern land and all.

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I think there was an interview where Yoshida said he would want Shogun as a tank with Samurai as DPS? Maybe that would be a headliner. Alchemist for some reason stands out to me as doing well for such as well.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they really are putting samurai in for SB and we already have ninja, what job will be the headliner for the inevitable expansion when we visit doma? Since thats the Eorzea equivalent of an Eastern land and all.

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That won't be a problem, as there isn't a Doma anymore.

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Originally Posted by GMERC

That won't be a problem, as there isn't a Doma anymore.

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Doesn't mean we will never visit Othard lol unless..

They'll never want to go back? Well if there won't be any expansion with that then I guess we are never leaving our continent? And if that's true then they can throw in samurai any time..like ninja...how boring. :(

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they really are putting samurai in for SB and we already have ninja, what job will be the headliner for the inevitable expansion when we visit doma? Since thats the Eorzea equivalent of an Eastern land and all.

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I think you mean Othard, seeing as Doma has been purged. But that's less to nitpick and more because we know from the Au Ra that Othard has both Japanese and Mongolian vibes (Raen and Xaela respectively). So it's possible we could get a classic job but with a more Mongolian theme to it. Beast Master would fit this completely.

That being said I still feel like SAM would do much more to sell 5.0 than using both RDM and SAM to sell 4.0.

Yea I agree Rhaja, if they used both those jobs for 4.0 I don't see any headliner for 5.0.

And ya I meant othard^^ was hoping to go there someday...hm.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they really are putting samurai in for SB and we already have ninja, what job will be the headliner for the inevitable expansion when we visit doma? Since thats the Eorzea equivalent of an Eastern land and all.

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MNK is the headliner for Stormblood at it has been in the game since launch.

Also most of the hints we have been getting seem to suggest we will be going to Garlemald proper in 5.0, not Doma. I doubt they will follow up a "Liberate a nation from the Garleans" expansion with another "Liberate a nation from the Garleans" one.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

MNK is the headliner for Stormblood at it has been in the game since launch.

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Oh I meant headliner as in a new job. How DRK was for HW, and RDM is for SB.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Oh I meant headliner as in a new job. How DRK was for HW, and RDM is for SB.

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Except Heavensward was the headliner for Heavensward. There wasn't a singular job added in heavensward that was overly used in any marketing or representation. In fact arguably Machinist would be the one (if there was one) considering Yoshida made appearances dressed as one on a few occasions.

New jobs are a selling point for the expansion but they're hardly anything close to something considered a headliner. And in fact, the jobs the expansion's focused on were Dragoon for Heavensward and now Monk for Stormblood. Used in the cgi trailer and to represent our characters in promo material (the derplander). So the same can be done if we ever go Othard with Samurai no matter when it was added.

Also you assume we are ever going to Othard. FFXI went through how many expansion's before they ever stepped foot in the far east? And when they finally did in their last chapter, it was in an incredibly restrictive way and not a full fledged location.

The same will likely happen here, there's so many places we are far more likely to go that are much closer to Eorzea that it will be a very very long time before we are potentially heading to othard.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

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+ Screw how long it takes us to possible go to Othard (like you mentioned). Most people who say it would be boring don't actually mean that, they just don't want Samurai.

I get it. Some people aren't fans of SAM, but it's such a highly requested job... as for selling points for other expansion's? There's plenty of more jobs to cover to sell the game COUGH COUGH GUNSWORD COUGH COUGH. And then people say DRK was the selling point for HW. Those people forget a gun job was also highly requested so getting 2 highly requested jobs is no different then HW.

People talking about visiting Doma. You mean visiting the smoldering ruins of what remains of Doma after Garlemald burned the country to the ground?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Oh I meant headliner as in a new job. How DRK was for HW, and RDM is for SB.

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Well, if you think about it, DRG was the focus for Heavensward, even though it existed before. MNK will be the focus for Stormblood even if it existed before.
So, by that logic, SAM could exist before the Doma expansion and still be the focus.

As for the poster new job, we still have a long list of them...DNC, BST, BLU...

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Well, if you think about it, DRG was the focus for Heavensward, even though it existed before. MNK will be the focus for Stormblood even if it existed before.
So, by that logic, SAM could exist before the Doma expansion and still be the focus.

As for the poster new job, we still have a long list of them...DNC, BST, BLU...

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Or Ninja could be the poster job for an Othard expansion. Or SE could put two jobs up there as the poster jobs; Ninja -and- Samurai. Or neither could be the poster job.

Anyways, given all the latest things found in game and such, I'm starting to wonder if the Spiderman Shirt -will- reference Samurai. There are far better shirts for it. Up until now all the shirts have been very straightforward, but Spiderman = Samurai is a leap of logic.

I don't see anything positive in them leaking SAM files and then claiming it was false or trolling. Personally, I will be rather disappointed if we end up getting Dancer after this.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Or Ninja could be the poster job for an Othard expansion. Or SE could put two jobs up there as the poster jobs; Ninja -and- Samurai. Or neither could be the poster job.

Anyways, given all the latest things found in game and such, I'm starting to wonder if the Spiderman Shirt -will- reference Samurai. There are far better shirts for it. Up until now all the shirts have been very straightforward, but Spiderman = Samurai is a leap of logic.

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Personally I think for othard the poster job would be Sam, if you reference it back to FF11 like I have seen some do they were all Sam.

Then think of yugiri hailing from doma and her being a shinobi, which I think is very similar to nin with how they both operate from the shadows. ( I haven't really lv'd nin yet and have only done a few job quests but did learn from those that nin sticks to the shadows)

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Originally Posted by DBelmont

I don't see anything positive in them leaking SAM files and then claiming it was false or trolling. Personally, I will be rather disappointed if we end up getting Dancer after this.

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I do think we're getting Samurai this expansion. I just think the Spiderman shirt references Blue Mage. That makes the most logical sense.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I do think we're getting Samurai this expansion. I just think the Spiderman shirt references Blue Mage. That makes the most logical sense.

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I think Yoshida was trying to be a bit clever with the shirt tease, and perhaps didn't realize the connection to blue mage that players started theorizing. Or he intentionally did it to create confusion/multiple theories to keep players guessing. Samurai was already highly expected to be coming from past comments, and so a shirt that would make it obvious it was indeed coming would have been far too easy and so he chose to go with a more bizarre approach that's a bit of a stretch to make players doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I do think we're getting Samurai this expansion. I just think the Spiderman shirt references Blue Mage. That makes the most logical sense.

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From Yoshi's statements, BLU is something he is not ready to present yet since the concept is not really applicable to modern MMO mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Katana190

+ Screw how long it takes us to possible go to Othard (like you mentioned). Most people who say it would be boring don't actually mean that, they just don't want Samurai.

I get it. Some people aren't fans of SAM, but it's such a highly requested job... as for selling points for other expansion's? There's plenty of more jobs to cover to sell the game COUGH COUGH GUNSWORD COUGH COUGH. And then people say DRK was the selling point for HW. Those people forget a gun job was also highly requested so getting 2 highly requested jobs is no different then HW.

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Pretty sure Gunblade/ gunsword is coming in 5.0 or 6.0 where we go to garland - The question is what kind of job will it be.........

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

Pretty sure Gunblade/ gunsword is coming in 5.0 or 6.0 where we go to garland - The question is what kind of job will it be.........

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What if SAM has a gunblade-like katana already? Think of Raiden from the MGS series or something.