Out of touch? PLL

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I physically cannot imagine the amount of bad publicity a game would get from the devs basically telling their playerbase to either F off or follow because they decide where the game goes and our feedback means nothing

Like in a live service game that’s just about the worst thing you can possibly do short of intentionally setting fire to your own server building

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blizzard did the exact thing and well people been not happy what a surprise

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I also find it quite offensive that the story plays off Nashu having a stalker for laughs.

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This part has bothered me from the very start.

There's nothing "cute" or "funny" about having a stalker. People with experience will tell you how it's really like.

The MMO market needs more competition outside of brainless pvp pretty korean mmo cashgrab pay to win ones.

WoW and FFXIV can get away with stale murder and people will eat it because theres no other genre equivalent outside of niche competition.

This isn't a casual vs hardcore argument thread. Those of you trying really hard to redirect this thread into that need to stop or at least read what majority of everyone else in this thread is raising concerns about. Content longevity (or lack thereof). Content droughts. Lack of innovation. etc. This isn't a thread to be pointing fingers at each other (and literally almost nobody here is, save for a few bad actors that are so obviously trying to stir the pot), we're sharing and reading a lot of valid concerns and points being brought up about the content we are seeing and what we aren't seeing. It doesn't matter if you are a casual, midcore, hardcore, whatever, we should all be damn well concerned about the amount of effort being put into what we are getting and how little of it there is.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Spoken like a true "raider." You all think you really are the saviors of this game. Well, let's see how that continues as they develop content that a majority of the playerbase won't touch. It's amazing how deluded you all are thinking what you want to play is all that matters. And I love how you assume to know me and act like I've just loved everything that this game has spit out. I've been very vocal about my dislike for casual content diversity (or lack thereof). Now enjoy doing your hard content with the 1% or less of the playerbase that's interested. Chaos Alliance will be dead in in weeks once its relegated to discord groups.

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funfact i enjoy raiding but my first comment after the PLL was like. Cool patch for raider bad for casuals :D not all raider think they are the reason why the game is alive thankfully.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

The MMO market needs more competition outside of brainless pvp pretty korean mmo cashgrab pay to win ones.

WoW and FFXIV can get away with stale murder and people will eat it because theres no other genre equivalent outside of niche competition.

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They take too much money to make and maintain, so once these last few holdouts go dark the genre will only exist in the form of private servers.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

It's hilarious how some of you act angry that MSQ ends in 3 hours, but when presented with any of the grinds listed above that will never go away, and that you can do whenever you want at whatever pace you want, suddenly you don't have time.

This thread is insane.

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its one thing to not do it because of lazyness another because content is dead. I started a lot of this stuff but never end one because why the hell it will bring me nothing. I really would like getting the ozma mount but if i ask around who is in for some eureka people laugh at me so whats now ? Joining 10 diffrent discord servers? yeah ill probably do it but i am insanely stupid. Also i did some savage content i am far away from beeing good at it but we did it. So what am i now i wouldnt say i am casual since i start now with current savage after a big break for prep for FRU. Still i dont do the stuff you mentioned because its dead content ( yeah i know you can faceroll as a WAR over Eureka ) i dont understand where the problem is for people wanting casual stuff to do which are up to date. goddman other games do it aswell. Cool events open world content events from older expansions with rewards and so on. For a long sight people who are "casual" are the ones who are mostly will pay the game after the savage and ultimates are done. Correct me if i am wrong

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Btw, I don't count Hildibrand, new Alliance raid, Trial and MSQ as content to do. Because everything about this will be done really fast and can't hold for their long patchcycles. :c

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What do you count as content then lol

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I saw the actual PLL and I wondered why they only introduced more extreme/savage like content to do. The majority of the playerbase is casual, isn't it?
How can they forget to deliver casual content to do? Did I miss something? What do you think about this?

And are you also very unsatisfied that they had no new information regarding to the graphics update?

If you had to rate the current PPL from 1(worst) to 10(best), what would it be?

I make this thread that people can talk about the newest stuff.

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ur literally getting instanced housing. thats as casual happy as it gets

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Originally Posted by EponaTBHSMH

What do you count as content then lol

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Content would be something one can do repeatedly, to hold the players attention until the next patch. As for what we get:
MSQ and Hildibrand for example are one and done things, you never repeat those and they amount to maybe 6 hours of cutscene watching. There never is a reason to revisit those.
Same with the Trial for the MSQ (if we get one) - that too is mostly only revisited in a roulette, and not something that people engage in multiple times.

The Alliance Raid is something you do once a week, which amounts to maybe 30 Minutes per week.

The allied society quests are 3 quests a day. Custom deliveries is maybe another 20 Minutes per week.


The time you spend on this content, imho, is not worth to keep being subbed on until the next patch. And people not unsubbing and playing the game is actually well within the interests of Square Enix as a company.


The extreme trial goes further into raiding, but if we count this as "content*" then that is a 12-15 minute fight. Repeating a 12-15 minute fight for 16 weeks (until the next patch is released) would feel more tedious than anything else.
*in the sense of casual content, I am well aware that the extreme trial is content

Content can be defined broadly, but generally speaking, people want something to play with. Relic grinds could have been given to us earlier, even on a much more basic scale. One can spend hours weekly in Field Operations, a Deep Dungeon with exciting new ideas with different challenges can keep interested players well occupied.

Also, there is no use trying to divide between casual content and midcore/whatevs content. We all play the same game, and I think everyone wants the game to be the best it could be. Gameplay content with long shelf life is something that benefits everyone in the long run.