"gogogo" might make me quit this game.

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Originally Posted by Lexis

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Well, I certainly agree with you. Although I'm more on the side of pulling things at a relatively fast and reasonable pace, seeing people argue over the same exact argument for the past month or two (since it had devolved to pulling slow or pulling fast multiple times) is annoying me. Chances are, no one is going to agree with each other since people are making it so extreme till there is no middle ground. At the end of the day, I say adjust accordingly to your group. If your group is undergeared or don't have a single clue in the world how to play or are unwilling to actually use their toolkit, either leave, or grit your teeth and slow down the pace. Typically, this never happens and only occurs once in a blue moon; since I still remember coming across a Cure 1 healer in Mt. Gulg of all places. On the other hand if your group knows what they're doing and shows after the first pull they can take double groups, then go as wild as you can to get the dungeon done. It's really not that hard, people do this automatically in game anyways without a single argument.

Also, I know this is off topic, but I love the glam on your cat boy, it looks nice! ^.^

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Not new players, its players like you.

Its players like you that are trying to influence people that veterans are to be held at gun point.

As you said, its a team focussed situation, so why the hell are you letting your team die, your ideology to punish people in game is not your right no matter the situation and more so because the vets want to play how they have been playing.

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I'm not letting anyone die. I'm not there yet. They ran in without me. I could have had any number of reasons for not being over the line yet. Sometimes I'm the one watching the cutscene. If people run in without their healer, then they apparently think they can do without one. Why is it anyone else's fault but their own when they turn out to be wrong in their assumption?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I'm not letting anyone die. I'm not there yet. They ran in without me. I could have had any number of reasons for not being over the line yet. Sometimes I'm the one watching the cutscene. If people run in without their healer, then they apparently think they can do without one. Why is it anyone else's fault but their own when they turn out to be wrong in their assumption?

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You said previously you’d sit with someone watching a cutscene. You are actively choosing to sit out. They ran in, you could have, but choose not to. If you’re watching the cs, that’s one thing. But previously you eluded yo the fact you are not the one in cs. You risk letting them die because you have a point to make. That’s 100% you

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

You said previously you’d sit with someone watching a cutscene. You are actively choosing to sit out. They ran in, you could have, but choose not to. If you’re watching the cs, that’s one thing. But previously you eluded yo the fact you are not the one in cs. You risk letting them die because you have a point to make. That’s 100% you

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And they are actively choosing to run in without the full party for whatever reason everyone isn't there. They could have chosen to make sure everyone was ready but instead they set the party up for a wipe with people missing. That is entirely on them.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

And they are actively choosing to run in without the full party for whatever reason everyone isn't there. They could have chosen to make sure everyone was ready but instead they set the party up for a wipe with people missing. That is entirely on them.

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If you are the healer, and you're not in cutscene, you should be ready, even if a dps is not. They ran in thinking that you were good to go, but you decide to be power hungry and try to play "god".

Not having a dps when you pull is not setting the party up to wipe. The healer refusing to participate because of their moral grandstanding is.

No matter how much you try and justify it, there is no justifying punishing people.

By the way, you choosing to not be ready at the boss is just that; a choice.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

And they are actively choosing to run in without the full party for whatever reason everyone isn't there. They could have chosen to make sure everyone was ready but instead they set the party up for a wipe with people missing. That is entirely on them.

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YOU set them up for a wipe because you want to be someone’s hero. Someone who may not even necessarily want you to do as you are. YOU being capable of helping but choosing not to is what causes the wipe. All because you need to flex your moral superiority

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

I just don't understand how "picking up the pace" is so automatically equated with "good?" Got somewhere you gotta be always or something?

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We could spend time doing more useful content instead of doing something that is done once a day (or several considering leveling dungeons). We could be at a higher level or have completed tomes either one and a half times or twice as fast. Maybe we want to actually do content where all of the challenge you said you wanted is there instead of stomping content that the devs refuse to buff whatsoever. Maybe we like doing more than pressing one or two buttons per mob and taking 20 minutes instead of 30 to clear dungeons, or in the worst case scenario of 11 minutes instead of 30. It has little to do with good, it has to do with efficiency.

As an older gamer, why do you want to waste time instead of do things efficiently? Do you want to hold people back from doing other things on purpose? Do you want to spend more of your limited time doing content that can be done quickly by moving forward with the group that goes quickly, where you could use your gap closers instead of sprint on cooldown? (at least as Thaumaturge, your mileage may vary here)

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Originally Posted by nebby00

Well, I certainly agree with you. Although I'm more on the side of pulling things at a relatively fast and reasonable pace, seeing people argue over the same exact argument for the past month or two (since it had devolved to pulling slow or pulling fast multiple times) is annoying me. Chances are, no one is going to agree with each other since people are making it so extreme till there is no middle ground. At the end of the day, I say adjust accordingly to your group. If your group is undergeared or don't have a single clue in the world how to play or are unwilling to actually use their toolkit, either leave, or grit your teeth and slow down the pace. Typically, this never happens and only occurs once in a blue moon; since I still remember coming across a Cure 1 healer in Mt. Gulg of all places. On the other hand if your group knows what they're doing and shows after the first pull they can take double groups, then go as wild as you can to get the dungeon done. It's really not that hard, people do this automatically in game anyways without a single argument.

Also, I know this is off topic, but I love the glam on your cat boy, it looks nice! ^.^

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I'm a fairly new player so I don't know all the dungeons by heart yet but I also prefer a faster pace. Sometimes I'll run the wrong way like a dork but, for the most part, I'm right up there running alongside the tank, spreading the Peloton love in-between pulls and AoEing my heart out for maximum Pew Pew value. But if the group is taking it slow, then we'll take it slow, I dun' care, still having fun over here. The good dungeon experiences far outweight the bad ones so far, and this is coming from someone who just grinded Bardam's Mettle for XP.

And thank you! :D Now how do I view other forum poster's Glamour? Been dying to spy on everyone's outfits.

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Originally Posted by Lexis

I'm a fairly new player so I don't know all the dungeons by heart yet but I also prefer a faster pace. Sometimes I'll run the wrong way like a dork but, for the most part, I'm right up there running alongside the tank, spreading the Peloton love in-between pulls and AoEing my heart out for maximum Pew Pew value. But if the group is taking it slow, then we'll take it slow, I dun' care, still having fun over here. The good dungeon experiences far outweight the bad ones so far, and this is coming from someone who just grinded Bardam's Mettle for XP.

And thank you! :D Now how do I view other forum poster's Glamour? Been dying to spy on everyone's outfits.

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/

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Originally Posted by Lexis

Now how do I view other forum poster's Glamour? Been dying to spy on everyone's outfits.

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This is the site i use. you can sort it by class, gender, race, or gear set. you can even type in an item and see how people paired it.
https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/