Pulling During Cutscene

Holy just reading all this makes me wish for locking everything during Cutscenes even more...

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Originally Posted by Snorky

If you are getting extra rewards such as exp and tombstones for doing content with new people yes you do have a obligation to allow them their first time experience. Also if you are so selfish as to rush people who never experienced the story that is a you problem and you should probably make a premade group so you are not inconvenienced by new players. The problem with pulling before people are ready is you have just made a decision for the whole group. That is rude and it shows how selfish you are. (You doesn't mean you the person I am quoting) it just means anyone with this attitude that some how a couple minutes of their life just was wasted. Omg it would matter if it was your dieing breath, but seriously this is a game. If you are not competent enough to manage your time by planning for cut scenes or screwups in a dungeon run don't do that activity. I also know there are people who accidently pull although I'm on clear as to how that occurs. Because if you are competent enough to handle mechanics you should be aware of your party members. Anyway, those of you who can't be bothered to wait have alternatives to create a party in a different way. Just don't cry about not getting extra tombstones or exp.

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No one is obligated to anyone, at all. Now I'm not saying screw first timers buy saying that others are in the palm of the hand of the first timer is selfish in itself as well regardless of the rewards. No one has to cater to anyone specifically. But yes, it is rude if you run off and start pulling everything. Now, when a first timer enters a dungeon people will get a notice. However, if the person doesn't say anything than everyone else will just assume the norm.

Which is pull and not wait and go ham. Basically like if a healer doesn't say anything about not taking big pulls and than the tank pulls big. They will just assume the first timer doesn't care or it doesn't matter to them. This is why the first timer should speak up and say something. Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

It's why SE implemented it for everyone to watch the cutscenes in Prae but people abuse the glitch to logout than back in and continue. Some dungeons don't have this but it should be in all with a skip vote feature if the first timer doesn't mind, etc.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Any examples? This is new information to me. Have you looked under every tab?

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Certain dungeon cutscenes cannot be viewed in the inn room due to them being tied to the MSQ that you could potentially be on at the time. They become unavailable to review after it is skipped, I can't remember the exact dungeons that cannot be viewed again in the inn room, but I can confirm that this is a thing. Which is probably why most people in this thread is defending cutscene watchers since some cutscenes can only be seen one time. I think its dumb that this can happen, but it is the way it is. Don't pull while people are watching cutscenes, but also on the other hand it is rude and downright toxic to attack someone personally for pulling early. A simple "hey, next time can you watch out for people in cutscenes?" would be enough.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

No one is obligated to anyone, at all. Now I'm not saying screw first timers buy saying that others are in the palm of the hand of the first timer is selfish in itself as well regardless of the rewards. No one has to cater to anyone specifically. But yes, it is rude if you run off and start pulling everything. Now, when a first timer enters a dungeon people will get a notice. However, if the person doesn't say anything than everyone else will just assume the norm.

Which is pull and not wait and go ham. Basically like if a healer doesn't say anything about not taking big pulls and than the tank pulls big. They will just assume the first timer doesn't care or it doesn't matter to them. This is why the first timer should speak up and say something. Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

It's why SE implemented it for everyone to watch the cutscenes in Prae but people abuse the glitch to logout than back in and continue. Some dungeons don't have this but it should be in all with a skip vote feature if the first timer doesn't mind, etc.

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Let me tell you why it's not selfish because this is the way the developers intended for us to experience the story. The rest of what you are saying is just trying to justify you stance. So is irrelevant. If the developers didn't intend for people to experience the story in this manner they would not have put it in. You want to change things to suit your needs that is the truly selfish part.

Again I don't specifically mean YOU I mean those who complain about people enjoying content that was clearly designed to be watched and enjoyed to further the plot of the story. I don't understand what some people think when they are told this is a STORY centric MMORPG. Not a jump in and hack and slash game.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

If you are getting extra rewards such as exp and tombstones for doing content with new people yes you do have a obligation to allow them their first time experience.

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I mean, I'm not obligated to do anything. The only obligation you sign up for queuing for DF is completing the content to the best of your ability, anything else would be against ToS.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

Let me tell you why it's not selfish because this is the way the developers intended for us to experience the story. The rest of what you are saying is just trying to justify you stance. So is irrelevant. If the developers didn't intend for people to experience the story in this manner they would not have put it in. You want to change things to suit your needs that is the truly selfish part.

Again I don't specifically mean YOU I mean those who complain about people enjoying content that was clearly designed to be watched and enjoyed to further the plot of the story. I don't understand what some people think when they are told this is a STORY centric MMORPG. Not a jump in and hack and slash game.

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The developers also added a neat feature that lets you skip cutscenes. In your own words, "if the developers didn't intend for people to [skip cutscene] they would have not put it in". And this has been a feature implemented from day 1,and still hasn't been removed.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I don't really understand this point of view. The tank tries to force the entire group into a situation that none of them wants by pulling during a cutscene, and everyone else is just obligated to be supportive of that unilateral decision why? Too many people in this game feel like they should be able to force the groups hand and have everyone just be cool about it.

If you pull during a cutscene you'd better be able to survive alone until the cutscene is over; and I guess in many situations tanks can. I do believe, at least, that if you can carry the weight of your decisions without any help then you're less obligated to consult or consider the group.

I still think it's a dick move to pull on a new player, but it's even worse if you need to beg for help and try to make the entire group complicit in your selfish nonsense.

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Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

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I completely agree. 99% of the time, the new person doesn't even say anything, even if there's an early pull. It's always someone else coming to defend them and being offended for someone else. Also, people don't even politely ask to wait for cutscenes.

Usually it's:
"Any cutscene watchers?"
*silence for 15 seconds*
*someone pulls*
"We have 1. Or not, [expletive x 3]"

I've noticed, if someone politely asks to wait, using please and thank you, as oppose to barking out demands all the time, people are more inclined to wait. Also, if the new person specifically asks if they can watch the cutscene, sure! By all means! But say nothing, and people will go on with their day.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I mean, I'm not obligated to do anything. The only obligation you sign up for queuing for DF is completing the content to the best of your ability, anything else would be against ToS.



Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

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Hold on that poster didn't say anything about not actively participating, he said pulling during a cut scene the person better be able to survive. And yes if you are using the duty roulette you are agreeing to being grouped with anyone same with the duty finder. If you want control of your group then make your own group but don't act like you don't have to have manners in a group situation.

The sheer lengths that people go to, to justify bad behavior is astounding. Seriously. LMAO.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

Hold on that poster didn't say anything about not actively participating, he said pulling during a cut scene the person better be able to survive. And yes if you are using the duty roulette you are agreeing to being grouped with anyone same with the duty finder. If you want control of your group then make your own group but don't act like you don't have to have manners in a group situation.

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If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

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Not necessarily. If the cutscene watcher is the healer, then you 100% have to be able to survive on your own since y'know, you just pulled without your healer.

I've watched impatient tanks wipe us at the end of stone vigil because Isgebind mops the floor with them pretty quickly with zero heals and they get to do the walk of shame back to the boss room. Extremely satisfying.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

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It's not against ToS to wait for someone in a cutscene, holy cow you guys are reaching. Pure nonsense and a waste of an otherwise decent discussion on-going.