Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Dude, after your entire post, is still comes down to having absolutely zero to worry about if you abide by the ToS. The Tos shouldn't have to define the grey areas for you if you practice common courtesy and respect towards others.

If you have to ask, "is this ok?" Then the best bet is to not even do it. And if you have to ask about the grey areas then you're already a shady player in my book. Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on.

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What if I have to ask myself if it's ok to even talk to anyone at all? This is meant to be a social game, and the direction being taken is making myself (and clearly others) uncomfortable even existing. What if my appearance offends someone? What if my orientation triggers someone? Is that a bannable offense? It may cause them distress, so who knows. Only SE can know, and even they can't seem to define it consistently. What is and is not acceptable proof? The current answer is "whatever they feel like in the moment", and that's unacceptable.

"Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on." This sounds like you telling people what they can and cannot talk about. I find that a bit rude honestly.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

What if I have to ask myself if it's ok to even talk to anyone at all? This is meant to be a social game, and the direction being taken is making myself (and clearly others) uncomfortable even existing. What if my appearance offends someone? What if my orientation triggers someone? Is that a bannable offense? It may cause them distress, so who knows. Only SE can know, and even they can't seem to define it consistently. What is and is not acceptable proof? The current answer is "whatever they feel like in the moment", and that's unacceptable.

"Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on." This sounds like you telling people what they can and cannot talk about. I find that a bit rude honestly.

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umm...

this is really reaching....

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Originally Posted by Cyreil

This is why I will never want SE to show where the line is drawn and why no one will ever get that response from the moderators. If you can't figure out how to be a decent person and need to know how far you can go, chances are you are problem already and are going to use it as a baseline to skirt that said line and intentionally make people as uncomfortable as possible. But when push comes to shove, they will run away and hide, then point to the ToS and say they didn't break any rules while saying it is clearly okay for them to do what they are doing and act the way they act.

The ToS is fine the way it is. Learn some morals and practice common sense.

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How are they to learn these "Morals" if they are not taught? Did your parents punish you for doing something as a child, and then refuse to tell you what the specific action was that you did and why it was bad? I think not.

Is the goal of the ToS to ban all players the mods dislike, or is it to reform people into better players for the platform?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

How are they to learn these "Morals" if they are not taught? Did your parents punish you for doing something as a child, and then refuse to tell you what the specific action was that you did and why it was bad? I think not.

Is the goal of the ToS to ban all players the mods dislike, or is it to reform people into better players for the platform?

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You should have a basic understanding of normal civil behaviour, the kind you would you use at a normal professional place.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

You should have a basic understanding of normal civil behaviour, the kind you would you use at a normal professional place.

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Will children possess this? Because children play the game. This also dodges the point of my previous point. Punishment for punishments sake does nothing to address the underlying problem. Rehabilitation is the only sustainable path forward.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Will children possess this? Because children play the game. This also dodges the point of my previous point. Punishment for punishments sake does nothing to address the underlying problem. Rehabilitation is the only sustainable path forward.

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I'm pretty sure this game has a minimum age you can be to play by which age they should be able to behave as a reasonable person if not then they shouldn't be playing. No you agreed to abide by there ToS, you can't they can and should take action

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I'm pretty sure this game has a minimum age you can be to play by which age they should be able to behave as a reasonable person if not then they shouldn't be playing. No you agreed to abide by there ToS, you can't they can and should take action

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I don't expect anyone under the age of 21 to behave to any particular standard. I have no way of knowing their life experiences. As such, teaching them why what they did is wrong and why they shouldn't do it again, is the appropriate response. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

I don't expect anyone under the age of 21 to behave to any particular standard. I have no way of knowing their life experiences. As such, teaching them why what they did is wrong and why they shouldn't do it again, is the appropriate response. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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You agree to uphold there ToS when you agree to play, given there ToS boils down to be civil that's not much of an ask. It's not SE's job to teach you how to interact in a civil manner.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

You agree to uphold there ToS when you agree to play, given there ToS boils down to be civil that's not much of an ask. It's not SE's job to teach you how to interact in a civil manner.

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But it is their job to remove paying customers from the game? Would it not be better to reform them? Both from a monetary standpoint (more revenue from subs), and from a player base standpoint (more people in queue's)?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

But it is their job to remove paying customers from the game? Would it not be better to reform them? Both from a monetary standpoint (more revenue from subs), and from a player base standpoint (more people in queue's)?

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The dude didn't sou d like he wanted to reform on his stream, he threw a hissy fit they didn't fully ban him cuz he's gonna keep trash talking.